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is it my imagination about lefties?
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the arts ...music film theatre etc etc ...always seems to be populated by the left.
the most talented artistic people seem to be left leaning.
if my observation is correct ...what would the arts be like if dominated by the conservatives?
the most talented artistic people seem to be left leaning.
if my observation is correct ...what would the arts be like if dominated by the conservatives?
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Only joking, i'd say they would be more staid and boring, traditional, and Picasso outlawed.
Other than that, the whole country is generally more liberal than it used to be, in the mainstream. There are fewer extremes of left, but left leaning is the current vogue.
What is right wing art anyway?
right wing says control.
there would be little or no dissent.
no bob dylan or lennenon.
censorship comes to mind.
So, art should be... pointless? Then it would ALL be binbags in galleries or beds that wern't made and bullshit.
Picasso wasn't really defying the system or anything, just using a style which wasn't really explored much before.
Ah, right, I get you now... Art is about change very much, and about many other things, but hte style is usally changing. Picasso used a stlye in a new way, inthe artistic way, changing alot.
I must say, alot of "Modern Art" though is all bullshit. There is no artistic style or statements in it at all. No skill required. This annoys me, it trivialises Art, when there is still alot of Art, and important work being done, but it gets no publicity at all.
no seriously, its not bullshit, Art is personal to the artist, and just because you dont understand it, doesnt mean its not art, or not worthwhile.
guy takes a tack, uses it to tack a paper napkin to the wall, gets a couple million.
same guy makes a sequel to the original piece, this time by tacking two napkins to the wall, gets a couple more million.
now tell me again how it isn't bullshit?
Yes but most artists these days deliberately make their pieces symbolic, personal and all that and it just makes it look like psuedo-wank tbh.
For the record, Picasso was shit. There's a reason he only sold one painting during his life.
And I thought this was all about left-handed people...
Pseudo-wank is the best name for it :yes:
Was talking to a friend the other day and she was raving on about people using art to excuse their own depravity - cross sections of cows etc - and I tend to agree. People without talent creating the absurd and using depravity to draw attention to their shitty art - pathetic and uninspired imho.
I dissagree. :mad:
The thing with modern art is that apart from a few dozen people, no-one would regard it as having any artistic merit whatsoever. The trouble is these few dozen include the several who are willing to pay hundreds of thousands for ofen literal crap.
Picasso used a stlye which isn't used in the western culture, but is used in other countries for drawing. They draw all sides of an object, unlike us. Ifthey draw an elephant, they draw it erm... not sure how do describe it because im not bought up to think that way.
But if they see a traditional, side on picture of an elephant, it doesn't look like one to them. They draw four legs, two eyes, two ears, etc all on it.
Art should take skill. Playing football profesionally takes skill. Driving a racing car, the same. And so forth.
Putting an full bin-bag in the tate modern takes no skill. At all. Nor an unmade bed. Hell, the cleaners took the binbags out thinking they were actuall rubbish. I am going to put my first car in the tate modern, once i finish with it, not clean it, leave the rubbish in it, fag ends, etc in the sah tray... and say some bullshit aobut it representing modern life and the stress of day to day living... and get rich.
If I do, I shall then buy myself alot of vodka and drink until I die, knowing all hope is lost.
I mean, all it is is a bit of fucking paint on some paper.
Call that art????
All it is is page after page of WORDS.
nothing to it. One word after another.
ANYBODY could do it.
shakespeare was an imbecile.
ah sarcasm, truly the greatest if not the single true art. :rolleyes:
The argument falls down when you realise that NOT anyone can actually paint. But anyone can put rubbish in a bin-bag.
anyway i like art but most contemporary art i dont see the value. but this is how i see thinigs...
art is basically art because it is recognised by the art world, by the promnent figures in the art world. the contemporary artists have proven themselves before to be capable of doing the more traditional concepts of art, eg sculpting, painting. these artists, always looking for new forms of art, which in my opinion is about the ego ie they want to be recognised as a founder/pioneer of a new art form, like monet or picasso.
having said that, though, a lot of the shit i see in tate and other modern art galleries are junk. skillful junk.
whatever man.
youre talking about a few individual peoples work. Its hardly what all art is like. Art is completely subjective. Youd probably hate half the stuff I like. Mr Brite thinks I have awful taste in art, but i cant stand all those pretty pictures and landscapes... yes they may have taken real talent to paint like that, but i dont get anything from it. Just because you may think Tracy Emin or Damien hirst are crap, Art is in the eye of the beholder.
Its one of my pet hates when someone slags off 'modern art' as not being as good as posh paintings, but I guess if youve got one of those types of closed minds, or are uncreative, then its not something you can teach someone.
Fact is, the bits of the brain that are the centres of "art" and creativity are also the bits that govern shit like empathy, relationships and emotion in general.
On the other hand, the bits of the brain that have to do with logic, systems and order are on the other hemisphere - the "cold" bit of the brain.
This means that if you are good at "creative" stuff you are going to be more empathetic and therefore more "left" leaning politically. It's down to brain operation, not mystical forces.
On the subject of art, everything is what you want it to be. The fact that you don't agree is something that you want.
The claim of art is that it's difficult to understand what the artist is aiming for - be it multi dimensional paintings or sharks being pickled, and only those who understand the history of art - from it's roots in caves in france to the modern Emin stuff can appreciate what is happening now. The impregnability of it is seen by those in the circles as proof of worth. :rolleyes:
Elitist crap of course, because your opinion is much more valuable to you than mine is. Vice versa too.
http://www.tate.org.uk/modern/exhibitions/jandecock/about.shtm
I like that.