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Violent porn to be banned?
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If its between consenting adults then its fine, if its not then to me its incitement to violence because the makers make money from it.
Apart from the fact that censorship on the net has never worked and probably never will.
Will they ban all BDSM material too?
Anything with consenting adults is fine. Anything that contains non-consenual material isn't.
Based on what i know about censorship from my masters I'd imagine this is about consensual (though many would question how consenting someone may be - after all there is the famous Linda Lovelace contention that if someone could force her to fuck a dog, how hard would it be to make her sign a contract) sex.
So, are porn movies ever harmful; can they reinforce behaviour in disturbed people; do they reinforce it enough to be a problem; in a society with a shockingly low conviction rate for rape do we want material to be available that mimics such behaviour?
So I think the main issues are, is there anything people can do together that isn't acceptable and how exactly do you check who is verifying the consent involved.
Having said that I can't really understand why people would want to look at violent porn, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't, and if the people involved are all doing it willingly then I don't really see why it should be banned.
because it is made abroard you cannot be sure of the regulatory regime their so you can't be sure over issues of consent etc, thus better to close it down completely surely, seeing as the making of such filth is driven by demand......
On a related issue people that get really pious about 'net freedom', such as the academic cited there really piss me off
"But I think the serious problem with it is the assumption that ordinary people cannot be trusted to make up their own minds about what they read, watch or see."
Lots of people are stupid and gullible, fact.............
but with other violent pornography - if the adults are consenting, even if it is not passed by british censorship (which shouldnt exist as a legal status setting body anyway) shouldnt be a criminal offence by prison punishment
for example lots of american pornography which in terms of consent is often perfectly fine, is censored when released in this country to remove asphixiation and times when they cant say no even they get a chance to afterwards which they dont, should someone get a 3year sentence for that!? i know ive looked at 'violent pornography' by their definition but i know i have seen consented pornography as it has passed american federal standards on consent and that the women involved were over 18 as well, should i have commited a crime punishable by prison?
The link between violent computer games and films and violence in real life is well-documented and confirmed. The United Nations are deeply concerned about violence towards women, especially sexual violence, in cinema to have set up various action and pressure groups to try and combat it.
The lack of objective control over what constitutes consent in the sex industry is also a huge concern. Consent can be gained in many ways, not all exactly ethical, and I doubt many women choose to get involved in hardcore pornography to fulfil their life's ambitions- although the major stars can and do earn significant money, I doubt most of the women on The Hun earn more than a couple of hundred quid for it. There is also the issue that money doesn't create informed consent- people will do anything if they're broke and their kid is hungry.
I don't like the idea that people's freedom to view what they want is restricted, though. Providing that consent is there then people should be free to do and view what they wish. There is a vibrant BDSM scene on the internet, which does not denigrate women or create violent people- would that be restricted? Some BDSM sites can be very intense.
Also much of this material is simulated anyway. The woman isn't really being raped or killed, and any bondage she is put into is usually carefully controlled and consensual.
On balance I am against banning this material, because people should be left to make an informed decision about what they wish to view. Images of child sex abuse are different, and the two should not be compared.
All this is because one nutter strangled a woman. He'd have probably done it anyway, if we're going to be honest. Why should everyone's freedom be restricted in such a cack-handed way just because one nutter decides to try it at home?
My Master's of Arts from Birkbeck - though I should have probably written that better :grump:
I thought you meant Dom:p
or how about i'll be breaking the law in this case in all honesty, yet in private if i done this i wouldnt be, i dont mind acts that are privately illegal in this coutnry being added to the punishable by prison or psychiatric treatment like sex with animals for example - but to carry a 3year recomended sentence for something which done in private is perfectly fine, is just bollocks im afraid
im happy for the law to be tightened, not just this much though
yes its illegal but what im happy to 'enjoy' in private which is legal, should bear no difference to what i choose to watch either.... the only difference is watching and taking part...
yes how consent is gained in america is dodgy i saw a documentary on it, however the women did say yes, even if just for money, and strangely thats legal so shouldnt matter
ps - and i think 16 year olds should have legal access to pornography as well, even if i dont agree that they can take part cause under 18s cant agree to contracts etc which effectively it is when someone else sell a tape of you having sex
link?
still a double standards law though you must agree?
and ill reiterate the fact im happy for things that are illagal to do anyway being enforced on video even if i dont think it should carry the same punishments as child abuse
if me and my gf were actually happy to practice bdsm privately, it wouldnt be illegal - why shouldnt i be allowed to watch it then? unless CONSENTED voyeurism is a crime then?
or the fact, the bbfc would be psychopathic rapist nutcases from the amount of explicit pornography they have to watch by what some people say about those who watch pornography?
and kermit i think youll find theres no causal link, which means it be simply that naturally aggresive people like watching violence - as level psychology had some uses then i guess
It'll just go underground even further. Criminalising won't stop it happening, it never ever does. It doesn't stop drink driving, it doesn't stop murder, it doesn't stop drug use. It won't stop violent porn being made and watched. It will bring more violence towards the women involved, because they will be threatened to keep quiet as well as battered about while shagging.
And because theres so much money in it, it's not going anywhere.
That's not a problem with internet porn though, is it?
About the issue of consent. If consent is invalidated by being poor, then few employment contracts are valid either. I have no argument with that though.
Interesting argument there, do you think there would be more drink drivers if the police said, "hey it's ok drink as much as you like, were not going to procecute".
The problem is that there is a tolerant attitude towards soft porn generally and everyone knows where to find hard core porn on the internet, there are always going to be people who want to go further. How do you protect children, the stuff is everywhere, anyone who thinks there isn't a link between porn and violence against women is living in cloud cukooland.
You need rules and laws, lets say you run a company, a guy comes in 5 mins late every day this week, you as a boss so thats ok no problem, well next week he's 10 mins late every day, you say hey no problem, the third week he's 15 mins late, etc etc.
There are people out there who will want more extreme forms of pornography and there are people who are going to want to act out those fantasies.
The vast majority is done with consent. Anmd what reasnoing? It just drives it furthur underground into unregulated territory, and real rape and scenes of brutality will be sought out. For fucks sake.
Stupidy.
Sothey head into the illegal underground scene. No regulations. People will do it the easy way, right? Makes business sense. You got to pay models to do it. You haven't got to pay someone you just rape, just keep in locked up somewhere, hostage, and abuse them, take pictures, put 'em up. Costs you nothing, you get 100% profit. Why get 50% profit by paying a load of models when you can do that?
So, say it is banned, right? Illegal. So if the women get done over, they have no real legal claim because they were indulging in illlegal activities anyway. As it is currently, legal, to porn stars have rights. Yes? See?