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Should I try an E??

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
Hi all,

I have a query about Ecstacy. I have been to a few dance parties now and enjoyed them alot. Each of these times I have been stone cold sober. Now I would like to push the experience a little further by trying an E whilst at the next rave. My trouble is that in the past I have had a bad reaction to pot...by this i mean that i have not enjoyed the feeling of being stoned and out of it. Freinds have told me that ecstacy is completely different...a much cleaner feeling without that cotton wool stoned type of feeling. What do you guys think? And also what can be done to help me if I start to not enjoy the feeling of ecstacy?

Thanks all
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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    You know what... only you can answer this question.

    I'm not gonna decide for you and I think most people on here have the sense not to decide for you either. Best thing to do is reseach it yourself. Here's a link to a site that could possibly help you decide http://www.ecstasy.org

    Theres also plenty of old posts in this forum that are worth looking through http://www.thesite.org/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000404.html http://www.thesite.org/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000364.html
    have a look there's plenty more

    My opinion is that ecstasy while not really dangerous, does change you, not in a bad way, and not in a good way but it does change you.

    If you do decide to do it make sure your wit friends and that you don't go OTT. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Like Skive I'm not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't do but I will tell you about my experiences of E.

    I first tried E a couple of months ago and had a really good time I was at Gatecrasher Summer Sound System that went on for 18hrs so I knew I wouldn't be able to last the distance by only drinking.

    The 2nd time was in a club where I live. I was drunk already and didn't really need to take it but did anyway. I had a pretty crap night as the club wasn't playing the music I liked and I had to go to the toilet every half hour to puke up then had to face the come down the next day.

    The last time I took E was a couple of weeks ago I went to a club in London where my fav DJ was playing so it was definately my kinda music but again I didn't have that good a time I was up and down like a yoyo and alot of the time I had to go and sit down and chill out. When if I had been drinking you would of had to get me off that dance floor kicking & screaming.

    I've been to both of these clubs before and just drank and I've had an absolutely brilliant time and danced all night. I have now made the decision not to do pills again as I never know what Im going to get off it. Im now sticking to Red Aftershock as a couple of them seems to give me all the energy I need.

    Just ask yourself this If your having a good time without doing anything then is it really necessary??

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    it is your choice whether you chose to take it or not but make sure that you are well educated on the consequences this may have, and make sure that the people you are with are well educated aswell (incase anything bad happens, they will be the only ones to look after you!)

    If you do take one then dont mix it with any other drugs or alcohol (which you said you like to drink)as this can sometimes make things worse.

    The first time that you do take one, dont take a whole one at first, try half and if you dont come up then have the other half.

    If you do enjoy the experience, be carefull that you dont get carried away with the drugs scene! 1 can lead to many more (and it is difficult to give up something that you enjoy so much. trust me!)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hi,

    I was absolutely shit scared when I tried my first pill. Like you I hated the feeling of being out of control and unable to focus my mind that I seemed to get from pot, and so obviously was scared about what E would be like.

    When I did try it I was with 3 other people, 2 who hadn't tried E before and 1 who was pretty experienced. I think that having someone there who could sort of talk me through the whole experience was really important, and if you do decide to do it I would definitely take someone along who you trust and who would be able to reassure you and be there to help you enhance your experience.

    As for whether or not you should take a pill, like everyone says it does have to be your own choice. But if it would help I have a pros and cons list that I started before I took a pill and carried on after I had taken E a few times.

    Pros:

    *on a personal level it feels amazing-your mind and body feel more alive and sensitised

    *you don't feel out of control or hazy like you do with drink or pot

    *you can dance all night-or not if you feel like chilling

    *you connect with the people around you and feel like you are part of something


    Cons:

    *sometimes you can get periods of nausea

    *the comedown can be bad ( I feel shit for about 3-4 days afterwards)

    *you will almost certainly want to do it again which can get a bit out of hand

    *it is illegal which does cause stress if you are trying to get into a club

    *it can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing


    There are lots of other pros and cons which I will leave for anyone else to fill in. I would say that the feeling on E can be very very good, but it is vital that you read upa bit beforehand, know what you need to do (take a bit at a time, drink, rest etc) and have someone there who has had some experience of pilling.

    hope that helps!

    if in doubt-dance.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But I see on the news about some people being allergic to it and end up dying on the dancefloor..you never know if you're in the minority and then again you never will as you'd be gone.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    Here's an old post with Juistin Credible giving a very sensible and fair view on the dangers of ecstasy.
    http://www.thesite.org/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000326.html

    Edited cos of my piss poor spelling!

    - Skive <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/nogood.gif"&gt;

    [This message has been edited by Skive (edited 25-09-2001).]
    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've been doing it now for 5 years, it's been awesome, had some pretty wild times and the memories are out of this world!!

    Recently decided to call it a day where pills are concerned, kind of a Human Traffic ending - "Bad times are outwaying the good"

    Time to sort this ole head out! Im only 20 so wouldn't say I was past it, but you know what they say - "you can only have so much of a good thing" and "What goes up must come down" and believe me coming down ain't much fun but when you do it every weekend you get used to it!!!

    Reckon it's just gonna be a special occasion thing for me now!

    What ever you decide to do, whether you do or don't - ENJOY IT!!

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Only you know the answer! If your thinking about it and not just taking it there must be some dout in your mind about E. Remember its easy to take it if thats what your friends want you to do, only do it if your sure of yourself.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i had a bad reaction to pot aswell. i ended up breaking some guys nose and had a whitie. ? ect seems to be diffrent and i want to try it to but am scared of what is going to happen .if you get to it before i do will you let me know?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I`d suggest trying Salvia Divinorum instead. Theres a post about it a bit further down the list.
    Its non-addictive and legal and I`ve got my first lot on order and am now waiting for it to arrive.
    Will post back here again when it arrives and tell u if it is any good.

    "Honesty is just an excuse for lack of imagination."
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Talyn:
    I`d suggest trying Salvia Divinorum instead. Theres a post about it a bit further down the list.
    Its non-addictive and legal and I`ve got my first lot on order and am now waiting for it to arrive.
    Will post back here again when it arrives and tell u if it is any good.


    where did you get it from?
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    It's dodgy... well I wasn't impressed with it anyway!

    A weekend wasted, is not a wasted weekend! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/nogood.gif"&gt;
    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru

    ur right about es.itz up 2 u but u will only b wastin ur life away.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quote: ur right about es.itz up 2 u but u will only b wastin ur life away.

    Why by taking an E will he be wastin his life away?? Please explain?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if you have all the information you need then the decision is yours, don't look to anybody else to tell what to do. i've been doing pills for 8 years now and i've had good and bad times, i've thrown up on em and had chest pains the lot. a few pointers i can offer, for your first time don't go necking whole ones. if your gonna do it do it right, find a cool area(as cool as you get at a pance party) do 1/2 and wait, don't do 1/2 and go jumping about that can just lead to overheating. the reason i say this is because for me once i've done em and start coming up i just sweat as my body heats up, and that's just stood there doing nothing, jumping about ontop of that will just increase your internal temp and that's when bad things happen. just take it slow, and not in large amounts. the first time i did it, i did a 1/3 of one and it was amazing, but not all times are good. if your feeling rough, just take a step back have a walk, sip water, and chill for a bit, the best thing i've found about parties/clubs is that someone will allways ask you how you are, don't be affraid to tell them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You should give E-bomb a go but I'd strongly advise to you that you dont do it at a club or a rave for your first time.I've had friends that had bad trips and didnt live to the E's fullest potential because they were completely out of place from reality.Another word of advice,DON'T drink any alcohol prior to comsuming the Ecstasy.Just my thoughts,have a nice trip...heh
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hi ya. Like virtually everyone else on The Site i aint gonna tell you what you should do. That's up to you. DepRaved gave you some really good advice. What i can do angel is tell you how i took my first E and hopefully you'll pick up some pointers.

    When i was in the club i was with a mate who's been doin gear for ages and i trust him totally. I only did half a pill to start. If a pills gonna make you feel bad if you only have half it'll feel less worse or last less. Try to stay off the alchol and don't do what i did, sit in a corner and keep asking ya mates if you've come up or not. My mate told me move about or get dancing and it really helps you to come up better, in my experience.
    And finally get yourself a drug code sorted. When i go out with a few mates we always look after each other, especially if we've got someone doing it for the first time or taking something new. The code we've worked out is Thumbs up-sound, ok. Thumbs down-not feelin good at all or need help, and Thumbs horizontal-not too sure. It works for us and we know that when a group of us go out a few of us can get totally out of it coz there's always someone ther to watch us.
    If you do decide to take one have a great time and remember to cool down every now and again and keep ya fluids up.

    Take care Kevvy XxX
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As the rest say make an informed decision, one thing you might like to discover is doing it for the first time in a house, it eliminates the vast majority of risks as well as paranoia you may suffer, but can be just as enjoyable, it will prepare you for doing it in a rave later on. Make sure there are people around, preferably experienced users, and if you decide to do it, enjoy it ! i'm pleased i did in hindsight, but i'm even more pleased that i did it in the house, where it was safer, more comfortable and a bloody good night !
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if i was u i would do it, but that's me... expert advice on this site off course and a good site over the Atlantic www.ecstasy.com
    Do ur research first!, ask ur doctor if u feel free to do so and he can understand these matters... i soud like a yankee now, bloddy hell!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmmm my advice don't bother cause if i catch you i'll nick you! Seriously tho i had a good mate who took an E at a club once and well lets just say it was his last, i don't know the details but somehow his brain swelled up against the sides of his skull and he had a seizure apparently related to dehydration. Since then i've had a very dim view on drug taking and so say it's not worth it, and why the hell would you want to anyway? But if you do sip plenty of non-alcoholic fluids even if you don't feel thirsty.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    Originally posted by Dimi:
    www.ecstasy.com

    You probly mean www.ecstasy.org

    I don't know if your aware of it but you just posted a porn link. I only know this because at this moment I've got pop ups all over my screen Grrrrr...
    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    that is not necessary right. doing it with people that have done it before is right. but doing it in a club is not bad, but u should take care for the music playing and the temp inside the club... if u have ur music and u feel comfi there is no problem...
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    Originally posted by Marmite:
    somehow his brain swelled up against the sides of his skull and he had a seizure apparently related to dehydration... and why the hell would you want to anyway?

    Dangers

    Drinking too much water is reported to have killed 3 people so far, all in the past year, presumably because 'harm prevention' advice has concentrated on drinking plenty of water. The point is that overheating is the main danger of taking Ecstasy; sweating is essential to avoid overheating and water is essential in order to sweat. However, water can be harmful if you drink more than you can get rid of by sweating or pissing. It may then dilute your blood, and diluted blood causes tissue cells to swell, but the brain cannot swell inside the skull and the pressure can build up to a dangerous level. There should be no problem if your you drink plenty of water and piss plenty of pale piss. Danger signs to look out for are compulsive drinking, not being able to piss or dark piss in spite of drinking lots of water.

    There are several other dangers associated with Ecstasy use, but by knowing about and recognising the dangers, it is possible to reduce the risks to a minimum. The most important thing to be aware of is that Ecstasy masks discomfort and pain, so that you may feel OK and carry on doing something when you would normally feel awful and stop. Most Ecstasy-related deaths are due to overheating and dehydration from dancing: instead of rushing outside gasping for air and cold water, some people just carry on getting hotter until they reach a fatal temperature (which is only a few degrees above normal). Asthmatics have been known to die from attacks while on Ecstasy, and it may be that again the usual warning signals were not felt. Another effect of Ecstasy that can be dangerous is that it causes an increase in blood pressure, normally no problem but possibly fatal for someone with a weak heart. The same dangers also apply to amphetamine. Some bad reactions may also be due to allergies and interactions with other drugs such as inhalers used by asthmatics; this is an area that should be researched.

    Risk

    The fact is that everything we do is risky, and that it is possible to reduce the risk with knowledge, looking after yourself and being with friends who look after one another. This applies just as much to taking Ecstasy as to rock climbing.

    In my book, I have shown that many 'respectable' activities are more dangerous than taking Ecstasy. Recently I have found statistics that show the risk is similar to fishing! If we assume that Ecstasy is taken on 25 million occasions a year (half a million a week), and that there are 5 Ecstasy-related deaths per year, then this compares favourably with 10 deaths related to fishing, which is done on 45 million occasions a year, and 12 deaths resulting from horse riding which is done on 40 million occasions. (Source: Government statistics in OPCS Monitor DH4 92/4).

    - Nicholas Saunders, 12/95 (revised 2/96)


    If you have never taken the drug it's quite obvious you wouldn't know why people take it.

    You should have a more open mind in life. If you don't want to do it then fair play, but to dis something you don't know a great deal about is silly. Most people who are dead against xtc seem to be ignorant o the facts.

    Taking ecstasy is a little less dangerous than fishing! Should fishing be made illegal?

    This country needs to wake up and realise that the government and the media is full of shit. The great population of this country should stop believing all they read in the Sun and the Mail etc.
    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oic, tissue around the brain swells up causing the pressure build up. I read somewhere that one of the emergency procedures is to cut the top of your skull off!

    Any chance i can get some names and addresses cause i'd like to improve my house search skills and arrest rate <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actually fishing should go too, can't stand it. I see your point, but people say jumping off bridges is dangerous but i aint gonna try it!

    Fair play to you if you wanna just make sure no-one else gets hurt.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,212 Skive's The Limit
    Originally posted by J:
    You should come on Trisha with me mate! It's going to make Tv history. I'm going to do the best pro drug speech the world has heard... I'm going to fucking tell them!

    J

    LOL <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;

    'Spect you'll do well mate. This is your chance to reach out to the masses and give them the no bull shit aproach heh! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    Trisha? I only ever see that when I'm skiving <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt; off work during the day or at some really early hours of the morning at the weekend on a comedown.

    Will your family be watching? <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
    Yesterday is history
    Tomorrow is a mystery
    But today is a gift
    That’s why it’s call the present
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't endure empathy when stoned nor on pills, isn't anyone one the same?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have taken E twice, when I was 16. One time was great, I was so happy and my mind felt clear, the second time was HORRIBLE, I didn't feel as though I was there and I was paranoid. I would take it again.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wouldn't want to be responsible for telling you what to do, and you do have your whole life ahead of you to try drugs. So my main bit of advice would be to wait until you are sure, at which point you should do it.

    However, here's my experience: out of all drugs I have tried, E is the most soul-affirming and pleasant-feeling of them all. As long as the set and setting is right E seems to make you feel the most happy and make the most valuable conclusions about life.

    I would ALWAYS test the E with the E-Z test first: that way you can be sure that it is MDMA you are taking, which is going to help you feel secure and relaxed. Personally I would advise you to try the E at home or in a similarly safe environment for the first time, with a friend or friends who you trust who have done it before. Follow all the normal dancesafe type rules, don't go crazy, and learn how the drug works.

    But because the effect of the drug is to make you happy via the serotonin rush, you will find that there is none of the paranoia, fear or mugginess that one sometimes feels with dope. I think you can find you will have positive experiences for the most part.

    Having said all that, if you're really enjoying yourself at the club nights without drugs, don't start taking E just because you think it will improve your night. Because you will find that E doesn't make it better, just different. It may be that the club experience is already as good as it's going to get for you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by horseradish:
    I would ALWAYS test the E with the E-Z test first: that way you can be sure that it is MDMA you are taking, which is going to help you feel secure and relaxed.

    Hey have you got one of those E-Z detector kits from http://www.dancesafe.org then? Does it work well? How often do you detect pills that aren't MDMA? (If any, hopefully none)
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