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Married couples should get tax breaks
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id encourage tax breaks for families who live together as a whole like in inheritance etc
Reduce tax for everyone - not just those of us who are married.
The system used to work fine when only married couples got the allowance, and then they changed it. And made it worse.
Why should we be discriminated against financially because we do not want to sign any papers "reaffirming" our relationship?
On a tangent note, I hope those who advocate tax breaks for married couples only would allow same-sex marriages to take place... Otherwise they would be unfairly left out.
I would agree with that. Family caring should be valued, and familial carers (parental, grandparental, etc etc) should be given the kudos that they deserve.
I still think that an extended commnity based on a strong marriage base is the best ideal. An extended family can't take over the role of parenting, but they do enhance it immeasurably.
As for same-sex marriage, I aren't sure. Personally I don't think it should be allowed, but there isn't a conclusive reason for why I think that.
Homosexual marriages would deserve the tax reduction IF they could raise children. However, they cannot, and imho rightly so.
Really? Unbelievable. No doubt a lot of very messed-up children will be the result, i didn't know the actual legislative change was for definite.
Erm... you do realise that being married doesn't automatically bring kids don't you. I'm not sure what you mean by this.
Also, does "family" include same sex couples, or should they be excluded. If so, why should they be excluded...?
... because we don't have messed-up chlidren from same sex relationships, do we?
Should we stop mix-raced couples from having children, lest their children are also messed up?
How about children in 'perfect' nuclear families whose parents don't believe in divorce and stay together "for the sake of the children" but spend all their lives arguing (or worse)? Aren't those children going to be messed up?
Aladdin, the comparison to mixed-race marriages is just nonsense. I don't see how "race" plays a crucial role in the pyschological development and upbringing of a child, but you'd have to be an utter fool to deny the importance of parental gender.
Homosexual couples parenting children is blantantly a bad concept, it simply can't work. Even children adopted as small babies are far more proportionately troubled than naturally-parented children, so to expect homosexuals to be able to adopt children or have them through a surrogate mother is quite a ridiculous experiment which will probably will be disasterous, as homosexual parenting is obviously a far more traumatic/abnormal concept/practice than adoption.
I suspect a lot of people on this forum support gay parenting because it's a novel little concept where everyone is equal, blah blah blah...basically, refusing to accept the exclusion of any one group from a social practice.
Sorry, but the real world doesn't work like that. I support equality for gays in terms of marriage, legal recognition and such like, but I know where to draw the line.
How is a 14 year old boy going to feel having homosexuals as parents? Fucked up beyond belief is surely the answer. His unconscious mind would be completely messed up beyond belief.
This is a seriously worrying situation.
A nuclear family which has split-up still has a mother and a father, btw. The lack of a mother in a homosexual family is going to cause serious pyschological problems for the children.
I don't see how sexual orientation does either. The only thing that counts regarding to parenting is to bring up the child in a loving and stable environment. The gender of the parents is completely and utterly inconsequential.
Why?
Oh dear...
Bullshit. I know people brought up in a same-sex parent environment. Not only all of them are sound, balanced individuals, but they happen to be a great deal more tolerant and mature than a great many people brought up in nuclear family environments I have come across.
The only children in serious danger of being fucked up and messed up are those brought up in macho, homophobic, violent environments- as it has proven to be the case millions of times over.
Not really...
I couldnt disagree with that statement more. Where would you draw the line there, would you allow a child to have 3 dads?
A child NEEDS a mother and a father, a woman for the natural care and attention only a mother/child relationship can produce and you cannot get that with a same sex couple.
If same sex couples were meant to have children there would be a natural way it could happen, it cant and Im sure as I can be there is a reason for that.
I pray for any child who is forced into the home of a same sex couple as growing up for them through school etc is going to be a very hard time, all in the name of equality though I suppose :mad:
Dread to think how I would have felt if I went to my first parents evening and all my mates had mum and dad turning up and I had to go along with a pair of men, my daddies :nervous:
Thise kids will have the piss ripped out of them for years and yet still the people who forced it upon them will refuse to take responsibility and instead try and blame it on other peoples intolerance.
What you fail to realise, as usual, is that it's the intolerance or those views which perpetuates the myths.
The ideal is a man and a woman, married with a large extended family, who love each other a lot.
I didn't realise that the legislative change was for definite, but I don't think homosexual people should be allowed to adopt children or have artificial insemination. I firmly believe that a child needs both male and female elements when growing up, which is why single-parent families are not ideal, but at least single-parenthood is rarely deliberate.
I don't think having two dads or two mums can be good for a child. I don't see why the sensibilities of these people should be rated ahead of the rights of a child. I don't think homosexual people are suitable adoptees, simply because they are homosexual and cannot provide the ideal home.
And no doubt I will be labelled as some homophobic bastard for daring to suggest that gay parenting is not ideal, and should not be encouraged.
the world is too complicated these days for that sort of banter...however simple and imperitive it is...we're all fucked :crazyeyes
Not as many as you might think.
If a child is parentless, and the only option is homosexual adoption, then i could understand the argument and would probably even give tentative support to the idea.
However, plenty of homosexuals themselves have doubts over gay parentage...there's the issues of fucking up the unconscious mind...humans are naturally parented by a man and a woman, such an environment is critical in a child's development...abnormalities in this regard are obviously going to manifest themselves in terms of confused sexuality, self-image, confidence and a whole plethora of unconscious mental factors.
The nature of homosexual relationships is also cause for concern, in terms of increased levels of split-ups, violence and such like.
only a drug mind could speak of such things :thumb:
If your hypothetical situation arises then I would possibly allow it, on a case-by-case basis, on the proviso that a straight couple should always take precedence, should they be suitable.
The instability of a lot of gay relationships would concern me, however.
In 2002 approx 3,400 children were adopted, this represented 6% of those waiting. Source: Hansard bottom of page.
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Shameful that some many children do not have a "home".
DFES Stats
160,000 Divorces in UK, 2003