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I don't remember any debate about the installation of CCTV everywhere? We've got it in town centres, in shops, airports, sports stadia, motorways, etc. I read somewhere that its reckoned if we go out we appear on CCTV on average around 300 times day. More and more of this CCTV is getting linked up under the guise of local crime reduction partnerships.
Just because you don't remember any debate about CCTV, doesn't mean there wasn't any. Your argument doesn't hold here either, as CCTV is not all linked up into one big database.
No, it means we'll pay for it through our normal taxes.
But surely thats our money too, we either pay for the cards when we get them, or when we get our pay packet, whats the difference?
Without wishing to be cynical the difference is one is easy to see and one isn't.
You pay direct the £93-£300 cost is easy to see. If the cost goes through taxes it will be swallowed up within your general tax payment and you'll find it difficult to work out how much it costs.
I can see your point, but in practice it really makes very little odds. I can see the bonus for those who dont work and pay tax of course.
With any luck this will be Labours Poll Tax, though I'm not sure it will be.
CCTV doesn't monitor people, it monitors places. The CCTV cameras don't have legs.
If ID cards come in then everyone will have one. It will happen, people won't put up with the inconvenience of never being able to leave the country just to make a political point to The Party.
It wont be just that, if you only ever use cash then you might be able to get away not having one, but you'd have to have no bank account as well.
I agree! It's not like they'd care anyway - they'd ignore anyone who claimed they weren't having one, and just stop them from leaving the country. All in all, it wouldn't be the governments loss if you think about it - only the individuals.
I don't know why people get so worried about the amount of information that it contains anyway. With the right tools, the government and any other officals can access all that information anyway. This is just a quicker way of doing it.
Banks certainly would if you want to open an account.
But thats the whole point, data isnt hard to get these days, but usable information is, putting it all in the one place to be used and manipulated is dangerous.
I don't see banks wanting to pay money to anybody. The government won't give free access to the database.
Plus they could easily be forced to under some money landering law.
I am not so sure about that. I can't see you getting £90 a head from the gypos for a start, and theres bound to be a large minority of people who put up a fuss of one sort or another. How effective they are is another matter entirely, of course.
Yeah, probably, but so what? I see thin end of the wedge here.
Which is why these things are being brought in....soon they will drop paper cash out of the economy altogether and then it'll be full on big brother and control time.
It's funny, I don't have any good reasons not to get one, no argument to put forward that says they are a good or bad thing, I just instinctively don't want one and that's good enough for me. I am my own authority, I don't need or want anyone else looking out for me thank you. I especially don't need or want anyone telling me what I can and can't do either.
'Road-pricing' schemes that involve tracking the movements of every vehicle
The highest concentration of CCTV cameras in the world, with facial recognition to follow.
RFID chips.
Senior figures - including the government's own watchdog - expresisng concerns about the creeping surveillance society.
And still there's the usual parade of naive, trusting drones saying 'if you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear.' Fucking hell... :rolleyes:
I feel exactly the same. Until someone can tell me why we need them, my opinion won't change. I have a passport, will soon have a driving license, I don't need or want anymore forms of ID.
If you want to check who I am, and you have a valid reason for doing so, I'll show you my fucking passport.
Well you were told wrong.
What? All CCTV? Government and private?
I dread to think why the Govt thinks that he needs one...
Please, I would love someone someday to explain to me exactly what ID cards will achieve. What actual benefit will they bring to our everyday life, how will they prevent crime/terrorism etc...?
They make us easier to track, easier to tax, easier to control and use as a resource. It's all about control and money. They really are scum.
Insert media spin here.
Indeed
Which could be interesting. Even the Sun are anti-ID cards, if I read it correctly yesterday...
It will have no impact upon terrorism at all (see Spain)
It potentially could help in ID theft and some types of fraud, though given how much money is at stake (about £1m a day) I doubt the criminals will be beaten for long.
The Government then feels duty-bound to defend its idea and before you know it is stuck with a really crap idea, but which it would be embarrassing to drop.
someone will hack the database which will be valuable, and some people will fake the cards, and http://www.contractoruk.com/news/002165.html probably will get the contract, who are well known for their 'quality' it installations
theres easier ways of preventing id theft, like shredding ur documents before binning them, and actually checking ur credit card in case someone made a copy of it.....
ive been a victim of id theft, someone tried getting loans in my name however we put a stop to that and my names been flagged on credit status databases
and 1 day they will put dna onto it i assure you, what happens if insurance companies want that?
Well yes, there is that. I was assuming that the card actually worked and was secure, if it was then it could help prevent some fraud.
Criminals won't have to go to any lengths to get the crucial data. They could just email EDS and be given it.