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why is that people seem to think people with religion have stature
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i dont have a religion, i have absolutly 0 spiritual beliefs, however why is that people assume someone who religion or faith is somehow more moral....
from my experience, theres good and bad religious people like theres good and bad people who have no faith
from my experience, theres good and bad religious people like theres good and bad people who have no faith
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I think it's all in how the views (religious or otherwise) are held that you can tell a "good" person froma "bad" one. If it's a case of "I'm right and there are no other possibilities" then it's close minded zealotry, even when the views they hold are ostensibly agreeable.
Those intolerant of intolerance spring to mind, who behave as though forcing tolerance on someone who doesn't want it isn't intolerance in itself.
Partly because much of religion disguises hatred as righteousness.
I was thinking the same. Just look at this board.
people on this board criticise religion, they don't criticse religious people's morals unless hating homosexuals and sodomy comes into the equation
Religious people are criticised for their beliefs. It is very rare that people state that they disagree with the belief, without throwing in an insult about being deluded or the likes.
What makes a 'moral' person anyway?
Somebody who is homophobic may also help raise a lot of money for third world countries. A person who dislikes Jewish people may also be a wonderful and loving father. Being a liberal doesn't make somebody a good person in my opinion... Bearing in mind a great deal of 'liberals' I've met seem to be the politically correct thought police who think that doing drugs and slagging off racist people is a 'liberal' thing to do.
Morality is a social construct.
so what..the difference between me and a religious person is that i use common sense to find my morals, religious people use a 2000 year old book and thats why they think anal sex and homosexuality are wrong...
sorry maybe i was making a sweeping generalisation...but they are supposed to think it's wrong and a too many do...
Makes sense to me. How many other religions say "well, these deep moral issues.... we're not going to take a stance, it wouldn't be right. it's really up to you to discover how you feel, based on your own mind, not what others have lead you towards."
Thats usually because the religous people on here are being self righteously bigoted.
Eh? What has drugs got to do with it? Who thinks that slagging off racists is "liberal"? What do you even mean by "liberal"?
They just reject all sex instead. Not very healthy IMO.
No, that's just for monks. The lay Buddhist is allowed sex.
'Cause I am tired of working for candidates who make me think I should be
embarrassed to believe what I believe, Sam. I'm tired of getting them elected. We all need some therapy, because somebody came along and said "liberal" means soft on crime, soft on drugs, soft on Communism, soft on defense, and we're gonna tax you back to the Stone Age because people shouldn't have to go to work if they don't want to. And instead of saying "Well, excuse me, you right-wing, reactionary, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-eductaion, anti-choice, pro-gun,
'Leave it to Beaver' trip back to the fifties," we cowered in the corner and said "Please, don't hurt me." No more. I really don't care who's right, who's wrong. We're both right. We're both wrong. Let's have two parties, huh? What do you say?
an extract from thewestwing
What that people assume those with religion are less moral? Hmm not so sure.
I think that these boards show that when a religious person uses their belief to belittle another then they undermine their own high ground. And that is why these boards give the impression that not having a religious background actually makes your more moral.
I suspect that the reality is more a case of everyone believes that they are more moral because of their own personal outlook. If you are religious then you believe that religion bring morals and vice versa...
i thought atheism just meant not having faith in anything, that includes God, extra terrestrial life forms, eh the easter bunny and so on and so forth...plus they have no place of worship, just seminars really...
Can't remember who said it, but I always found it true
'When Man ceases to believe in God he doesn't believe in nothing, but in everything'
must've found it at the back of a cereal box but makes sense :thumb:
Basically it means to have no "religious" faith in God or any other "higher being".
Instead you'll find that atheists will put all their beliefs in "science", and claim that this is the only thing that can possibly be correct, even despite vast swathes of scientific "evidence" being little more than wild conjecture.
You'll find that atheists are as dogmatic, perhaps more so, than many "religious" people. They certainly have less tolerance of other faiths than many "religious" people.
People very often fail to understand how subjective 'morality' is and everyone has double standards.
However science remains about seventy-five thousand trillion times more reliable than religion on about pretty much every single subject the two schools of thought collide on. Because one will make its claims on careful study, intelligent analysis and the best research and evidence we have at our disposal- while the other relies solely on tales and superstitions and will make some claims that are clearly and undoubtedly impossible and then ask us to believe it "just because".
It might have something to do with the religions of the world being in the habit of torturing, imprisoning, murdering or censoring anyone who does as much as doubt their claims. After a few millennia it gets rather tiresome. When religious people start to get judged, criticised, censored, jailed, tortured or killed across the world by non-believers any accusation of intolerance might carry a little more weight.