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Us congress passes flag burning bill
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4122814.stm
land of freedom of speech + freedom of belief my arse...... its so scary someone burning a flag :banghead:
hopefully the senate and more than 13 states dont ratify thus not making it a valid constitutional stage
land of freedom of speech + freedom of belief my arse...... its so scary someone burning a flag :banghead:
hopefully the senate and more than 13 states dont ratify thus not making it a valid constitutional stage
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In Denmark it is illegal for the Danish flag to be placed on the floor - I can't see how this move blocks free speech, as free speech is already limited.
If they were outlawing the Freedom of the Press or closing down the TV networks then there would be something to worry about.
As it stands nobody burns the flag anyway in the US, so this really isnt a case of the government removing freedom of speech.
Blairs law against incitement to religious hatred, on the other hand...
Hello!, THREE-thirds isn't a majority (let alone even a requirment), that would be known as unanimity.
Try TWO-thirds.
People DO burn the flag, contrary to your wishful presumptuous illusions, and far worse in rightful protest and dissent against symbols of federal disregard for the rights of US citizens as well as in solidarity with its countless victims around the globe.
Any government billing itself as the champion of liberty which so overwhelmingly demonstrates ideology-inspired circumscription of the principles enshrined in the 1st Amendment, indentifies itself as duplicitous and capable of far greater circumscription of said liberties if not stopped.
Added to other measures such as the un-Patriotic Act, The Real ID Act and other more underhanded power grabbing mechanisms hidden within otherwise innocuous sounding legislation, which have already passed into law, the facets of fascist resurgence are falling into place whilst smug, self-assured "it can't happen here" types happily buy into the diversionary rhetoric and PRopaganda.
When they wake up to realise that none of their once cherished Constitutional safeguards have been left unviolated, for the greater profit of the elite few of course, they'll have only themselves to blame for refusing to heed the lessons of history.
Not even the right of citizens to be secure in their own homes and property is upheld by this corrupt, corporate-owned and corporate-serving Federal mockery of our founding fathers' design...
Supreme Court Backs Forced Sale of Private Property
Funny how when Mugabe bulldozes houses he's an evil despot, yet do we hear any cry of despotism aimed at Washington? Nothing like the indoctrination of compliant media to keep the false brand image of the "land of the free" resounding from mouthpieces like mat.
should someone who burns a flag in america be done for a criminal offence? all i'm asking?
and jaq, yes in europe we tend to not actually have freedom of speech in our constitutions, yet in america they actually do
can someone say how this isnt the same as what mugabe is doing?
It's cloth and colour!!
I wish they had built a system around the ideals of getting your head out of your arse and thinking in a straight line.
Well, it never stopped em before. :yes:
The difference, such as it is, is that Mugabe is a dictator, that is he hasn't bothered to fool over half the population, he has just gone for the power. The (insert imaginary body based on geographical location here) let you have a say once every 5 years or so and that makes it okay to take all your stuff and put you in a cell.
What a joke. Does America have no decency? You can't put words into dead men's mouths (or women), it's immoral and wrong. But anyway.
This issue doesn't seem to be important at all really, it's like in the UK you're not allowed to deface an image of the queen - but even if the police caught you doing it, as long as it wasn't someone elses property I don't think they'd give two shits. Then again, the Police are a bit more retarded in America, so if they see someone burning a flag, they'll call the riot squad, break open the tear gas etc. etc.
see how that wasnt a waste of time and made something good and constructive for the world to use
But as much as I hate people burning the flag, I recognize their right to do it. The congress is way out of line.
Why do you hate people burning the flag? Your flag symbolises the most hypocritical, murderous and terroristic nation on the planet since the fall of Nazism and the Soviet Communism.
Exactally.
I wonder if they would arrest people burning, say, the Iraqi flag?
You're an idiot.
what a shock idiots like you are in for ...very soon me thinks.
True.
Lots of folk can see the shit coming down the river but no one seems to be doing anything or even think anything can be done.
Absolute nonsense.
Why?
They can only be any good in comparison to something else for a start.
Secondly, the major diference is their actions at home. As far as foreign policy is concerned the "US" is worse than either of the other two.
Axis of Evil list. And what the HELL is it with you and saying two things cannot be compared?
I mean, it isn't like the US Government has an Axis of Evil list which, if they invaded those countries, would give them practical control of the world after they installed thier puppet governemnts?
But, you can't even fix Iraq. So I daresay we are very safe. So much for hte Hi Tech US Army.
Nonsense perhaps, but you can compare the statistics. It would be interesting to see a list of the amount people killed by a country (it's armies and executions) per year since 1900 in a line graph. Then a cumulative frequency graph. Interesting, anyway.
Another note: it's interesting that congrass in America is spending time debating flag burning whilst people are still dying in Iraq, a country they occupy, or if they decide to think about the world other than themselves, Africa would be a start. Maybe it should be mandatory to give US senators geography / cultural lessons so that they learn that the world is made up of more than America.
You said this in another thread, "you cannot compare the US..."
Again, I ask you to point our the differences...
Hitler -anti Jewish race laws. Bush first ever Hispanic speaking President.
Invasion of Poland leads to Katyn Forest and approximately 3 million dead Poles. No free elections until over fifty years later. Invasion of Iraq does not lead to mass executions by US troops and democratic elections just over a year later.
And I could go on and on.
The US may not be perfect, but to compare it to either Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia suggests a moral compass which is badly aligned.
Mao killed upwards of 70 million Chinese peasents.
Hitler, well, we all know what Hitler did.
To compare the US to those monsters is insulting, not only to America, but to the countless millions that the extremes of both Left and Right slaughtered.
(a) how do you know
(b) I don't know anyone who has Stalin or Mao as heroes