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On this Sundays edtion of Panarama, they'll be devulging into cannabis. They'll also tell us that THC levels found in some forms of cannabis has increased, due to the cultivation techniques. herbal cannabis Skunk is one type containing high levels of THC. And that many young people will enter into, what the white coats call - cannabis induced psychosis.
We all know that cannabis not a harmless drug, and in it's various forms produce a 'euphoria' but can trigger underlying mental health problems. Cannabis can induce transient psychosis and exacerbare existing mental illness and that cannabis can indeed lead to psychological dependence for people with a predisposition.
Flicking through the Pill site, i dug up this interesting article;
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n893/a02.html
I wonder if the good ol BBC will expode the Social harm and the escalation myth surrounding cannabis? eg, evidence shows that those who use cannabis do not commit so many offences (apart from possession, supply and trafficking) when compared to coke heroin and ampthetamine. There is also abundant anecdotal evidence to show that people who are recreational users of cannabis, stay with cannabis and do not move to hard drugs.
Most hard drug users, use cannabis before they use other drugs, but almost certainetly alcohol and tobacco use will have pre-dated cannabise use.
what do others think? Dont forget, this sunday 22.20 BBC 1.
We all know that cannabis not a harmless drug, and in it's various forms produce a 'euphoria' but can trigger underlying mental health problems. Cannabis can induce transient psychosis and exacerbare existing mental illness and that cannabis can indeed lead to psychological dependence for people with a predisposition.
Flicking through the Pill site, i dug up this interesting article;
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n893/a02.html
I wonder if the good ol BBC will expode the Social harm and the escalation myth surrounding cannabis? eg, evidence shows that those who use cannabis do not commit so many offences (apart from possession, supply and trafficking) when compared to coke heroin and ampthetamine. There is also abundant anecdotal evidence to show that people who are recreational users of cannabis, stay with cannabis and do not move to hard drugs.
Most hard drug users, use cannabis before they use other drugs, but almost certainetly alcohol and tobacco use will have pre-dated cannabise use.
what do others think? Dont forget, this sunday 22.20 BBC 1.
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I knew that when I was a teenager, its bloody obvious.
>>>Its hardly a shocking idea is it<<<
i dunno, i'm still shocked at the amount of negative media coverage surrounding cannabis, and the wasted Police time spent on the drug.
>>>smoking lots of cannabis while you are still only young isnt good for you, I knew that when I was a teenager, its bloody obvious.<<<
Bong, i think you arrived in this world just before moi, so you'd have known about the cannabis that i wrote up about the other day; Afghan black, Nepalese, Red Leb, Leb Gold, Temple ball, zero zero etc etc i think you'd agree that the THC level wasn't as high as whats in todays Skunk Although, Durban Poison, transvaal blue, Purple haze, white widow were the early versions which could indeed knock the wax outta my ear lugs, if you know what i mean
anyway, thanks for the thoughtfulll reply :thumb:
ps, what did you think of the Newcy study, any thoughts?
Cannabis lile alcohol is a mood enhancer i.e you walk into a boozer with three mates and start drinking. (Hypothetically speaking) one will lose his inhibitions and will want to shag everything, another will get the giggles and laugh at everything, and the other will get paranoid and what not, and may think about shoving a glass in your mouey.
There is no test for people with a predispostion, thou the rule of thumb is -
if it doesn't agree with you first time, then dont do it!
There is only media concern at the mo, due to the very high increase in admissions to AAW's for people displaying mental illness eg, psychosis, scitzophrenia etc etc a lot of people will use spliff to self-medicate as sort of explained in the link in the first post. Most Paranoia will have been exacerbated by the drug, and after a few months of abstinance (of all drugs, inc Alcohol) , should go away, and the person will go back to being 'normal' as such.
That wasn't the case.
Only after years of smoking it did I start to feel the paranoia.
Im more worried about the state of the lung than physicosis, My dad warned abt it making people go loopy then 2 mins later an add came on about that program, it was ironic
No they don't.
It's looks almost certain it can trigger psychoisis though.
No, no one knows that. The jury is still out.
Firstly, appology to the guy that i replied to when i said if it doesn't agree with you first time then dont do it. It was a rushed reply made by me, but i think you know the giste and where i was comming from.
Anyway, on last nites show a few things disturbed me ~
The soppy GP who dismissed the mother who asked for help on her sons behalf. The GP said he was more concerned about the tobacco which in my eyes is true, as when cannabis is mixed with tobacco and somked, it could lead to an unwanted addiction with serious health risks ,hence the banning of Ciggarettes to under 18's (proposed) and the banning of smoking in public spaces (proposed)
Secondly - The woman who done the tests on rats said that cannabis use can trigger heroin use. But i'd like to know if it was just heroin used in the experiement? i.e did they have Alcohol, caffeine, cocaine and yep, sugar available for the rat to chose from??? As i think it's just another propaganda stunt
Thirdly - The mans son who developed scitzophrenia. He admitted that he smoked top quaility gear, six spliffs per day over a long period of time. Well sorry son, if you do that then hey, your gonna get in trouble eh? If you do drugs on a daily basis, and/or need drugs to function, then people should seek help.
fourthly - The young hoodie basically just needs to get a grip and get a life. I think he's had it toooooooo flipin easy at home, in the way in which, where did he get the sheckles tofund his habit?????
fifthly - The Psychiatrist forgot to tell us that most drugs inc; alcohol, Ampthetamines, crack cocaine, cocaine are just as, if not more worse, in both the addiction and with entering into psychosis, as alcohol is the only drug that you can die withdrawing from, and plus from the violence perspective.
any constructive comments to this post, both negative or postitive will be welcomed by moi, john.
I don't think the rat experiment can be taken seriously.
As for the boy with schitzophrenia...one case of a dope smoker developing schitzophrenia - that's far from convincing.
The hooded lot were probably exaggerating...for a dope smoker, the reporter seemed to place a particularly strange emphasis on what are common effects of smoking dope. Why the fuck was his mum saying the boy had "relapsed" when she found him singing to Danny Filth or whatever shit he was listening to - seemed like perfectly normal teenage behaviour to me. And the whole "I'm Satan" thing - religious experiences aren't exactly uncommon.
I made a particular point of chain-smoking joints throughout the programme, so my memory of is somewhat vague. Overall, I thought it was ok. Too much emphasis over what are perfectly normal effects of cannabis, however.
As Blagsta said, there is no certainty that is the case. The evidence is pointing in that direction but it is far from conclusive at this point.
She said that the situation has become so serious that the entire mental health system was being "distorted".
Patients with non-drug related mental illnesses were being turned away because of the threat of violence from psychotic cannabis users had made them unsafe.
She said "in London 80% of people assessed with a first episode of psychosis are on cannabis. The explosion in cannabis-induced psychosis is already happening."
And of course alcohol contributes in no way to social problems or mental health problems. Right you are then.
Source?
Tbh I can't find anything on the entire web that quotes Majorie Wallace using the phrase 'cannabis wards'. Their position seems a little more reasoned -
"We have growing evidence from our 1,000 callers a week that the current culture of taking cannabis makes treatment difficult and adversely affects the prognosis for those who become psychotic. While an inquiry would have been welcomed before the lowering of the classification of cannabis last year – making it more easily available and giving out messages that it is relatively harmless – we would urge the Government to reverse its decision on classification urgently, backing that with a multi-million pound education and awareness campaign on the dangers of cannabis for young people whose brains are developing.”
http://www.sane.org.uk/public_html/Press_Releases/pr_050129.shtm
and
"While for 80% to 90% of people cannabis may have no lasting effect, for the minority who are vulnerable the taking of cannabis, especially in strengthened forms like Skunk, can turn a mild trip into a journey of mental disintegration from which they may never return.
The mounting evidence of the research shows a specific relationship between cannabis and symptoms such as paranoia, hearing voices, and feeling confused, frightened and aggressive. SANE has campaigned for over 18 years to highlight the direct links between cannabis and serious mental illness such as schizophrenia. Until there is further research into these links, we believe that downgrading the classification gives out a mixed message, exposing too many young people and their families to the risk of future mental health problems.”
http://www.sane.org.uk/public_html/Press_Releases/pr_050503.shtm
Where's that 80% figure?
http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/
http://www.arp-uk.org/
any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night
Anyone heard of "Reefer madness" or the "gateway drug theory" presented around the JFK era by the prohibition theorist's?
>>>>Maybe he didn't know?<<<<<
Maybe he didn't, but surley working at the Maud and going on a drug doco, you'd think he'd have aquired some learnt knowledge about drugs.
benzodiazepenes and barbiturates as well
Jack: Time to get up and give this place the goin' over. It looks like the marines have landed.
Mae: Well, that bunch last night was high enough to take over the marines and the navy!
Gotta love Reefer Madness.... okay off to my own forums now
Benzo's are classified as pharmaceuticals are they not? (man made????).
Not entirly sure as to what jimbo is clucking on about, but what was his testamony to the US congress during the debate to pass the Marijuana Tax Act 1937?
basically; White women who smoke dope will perform oral on black men, hispanics and jazz musicians et al. It is a drug that causes insanity, criminality and death"
with regards to the gateway theory - That is still chucked out today, after the La Guardia Report by the New York Mayor that concluded that cannabis was not a harmfull drug he stated - "That dope smokers and heroinusers were two classes of drug users that did not mix. He also tried to supress the Lindsmith report that proved that the herb was not as dangerous as Harry made out, so he tried to ban research into cannabis altoghter. He was retired at that point by JFK. Thou his phamphlet "The Traffic in Narcotic Drugs" were influential in getting the nations of the world to sign the 1961 single protocol on Psychotropic drugs and substances.
What difference does that make?
They're still drugs you can die withdrawing from.