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DO YOU THINK PEOPLE THAT DON'T DO DRUGS ARE MISSING OUT?

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
I mean this is terms of clubbing.

This is my experience: I would say pills have possibly changed my life.

Last year, me and my mates booked a holiday to Ibiza. Now I was slightly nervious about it because, although I was looking forward to basically getting drunk the whole time and pulling birds, I wasn't sure how I'd like the clubs. Basically because I didn't like dance music. I found a lot of trance really cheesy and used to actually slag my mates for listening to it saying that it wasnt real music!!! (I'm a drummer for a touring, serious indie/rock band) Anyway, we got to Ibiza and the first night was Judgement Sunday @ Eden with Judge Jules, Ferry Corsten and Lisa Lashes. We were at Cafe Mambo before and there was 6 of us. 2 of my mates had taken pills before. 3 of us were curious and 1 would have nothing to do with it. I had never had the oppertunity before although i was always curious as to how good they would be (I'd smoked weed a decent amount before and imagined possibly what pills could be like). Thing is, I was always scared of dying or something, that's what put me off. Anyway I took one then went to Eden, and I must have just come up as I walked through the front doors and I was really really happy and pretty blown away by the size of everything! Then after about half an hour I had a massive urge to go and dance! I was probably feeling the peak effects and then Push - The Legacy came on and the feeling through me, I'll never forget. And it all just hit me, dance music made sense to me. I understood what it was all about and why people thought it was so good and what it ment to them. I can't really describe what I mean though, it's hard to put into words, it's just this feeling. That night opened my mind like no other. I was dancing all night to the music and to top it off, the club was meant to close at 6am but because it was still full of 5000 clubbers, they kept playing till 8:30am and at this point it was STILL full!!! That night changed me forever!

One point worth mentioning is that that night didn't make me just want to take loads and loads of pills. No. It made me gain a passion for dance music I would never have had otherwise. Now I seriously cannot get enough of dance music!!! (although I'm still in my band which is definatly going places)

About whether pills damage you, I would say pills definalty effect your memory if u take them too constantly. I have noticed this slightly when I've been taking them too often (once a month is what I aim for usually, if not a longer gap to let the seratonin replenish properly). The issue with memory loss is a conclusive proven scientific fact. IT DOES CAUSE MEMORY LOSS. Look at this site, it's very helpful: http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/

Since dance music is basically all about ecstasy, what with Oakenfold and the like starting things off, in my opinion, I don't think you can fully appretiate dance music until you have had a good experience with ecstasy at a club at least once.

What are your opinions everyone?

[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: BARTONIOUS ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Totaly

    I think taking drugs has definately made me appreciate dance music on a new level, and love it rather than just like it. The music and the pill work with each other, true you can enjoy dance music while drinking, but you dont react to the music as much. That period where the music dies down and gradualy the tempo and noise increases is a great feeling.. so in that respect yeah they are missing out.

    But the come downs and other E related after effects they are missing nothing out on, but thats nothing compared to the feeling of unity and enjoyment you get while on pills.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    oh agree totally about the music becoming something completely different and you feeling very close your pals etc, but i would never say that someone who doesn't do drugs is missing out. they have obviously chosen that and that should be respected. remember, in reality (and although i hate to admit it) if you take drugs you are taking a risk with your life and health and in some cases, your job and relationships too. what drug takers gain in some aspects of their life, they lose in others. each to their own, and let everybody respect each other i say!

    PS (sorry to sound like a teacher or something)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    An important point is: e's have already done the best they can do to me (and in a good way). Before Ibiza, I didn't like dance music at all. Pills have given me a passon for dance music I would never have had otherwise. I dont just "like" the music, I fucking love it! And I don't need to go out and take pills to enjoy myself. No. I can now have the time of my life going to see a good DJ even if I'm just drinking a few pints all because of that 1 night which opened my mind to the delights of dance music! <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    What I would say is, until you have experienced the full effect of ecstasy in a proper club with proper dance music, you cannot fully appretiate dance music (in my opinion).

    [ 13-05-2002: Message edited by: BARTONIOUS ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's a little bit of a strange opinion though. I mean, if I were to say to you that you cannot appreciate the colour of the sky without being a pilot, then you'd laugh... the colour of the sky can be experienced by everyone, but being a pilot gives you a new perspective on it. I think that's all this is. You can, and many people do, appreciate dance music without going in to a club, or without taking pills. It's not unheard of.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have had nights out where I felt the music a lot more when I haven't taken anything, than when I have.

    I suppose if you got phsycologically addicted to the buzz of E's, then the music may not seem as good without it, but it depends on the person. Yes, so there are millions of clubbers who take pills but there are also millions who do not and still love it.

    I started liking dance music when I was about 14 and it was years before I tried a pill.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think pills enhance the clubbing experience to a level unobtainable without pills, the alter the mental state, the senses and perception. Clubbing certainlt took on a whole new dimension after i'd taken pills.

    However, thats not to say drugs will mean you enjoy clubbing more unconditionally, their are aother factors like who you are with, the atmosphere, the scenario of why you are out, the music played.

    I do think people who don't use drugs do miss out, thats obvious, but they can enjoy it just as much <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Defiantly agree on the dance music thing though, it just takes on a whole new perspective, they compliment each other so well, but when you've come down and beyond, the music still hits the spot <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    [ 13-05-2002: Message edited by: eb-er-dee ]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    well youre bound to think that arent you, if you didnt think people who didnt take drugs were missing out, then i assume you wouldnt take them.
    i dont take drugs anymore because i prefer to be able to just enjoy natural feelings and emotions without forcing artificial moods. i dont know if that makes sense, but when i found that i couldnt just feel normal anymore, i had to have something to make me feel ok, thats when i desperately wanted to just be able to wake up in the morning and feel happy because its a nice day, or just get pleasure from everyday things. I dont agree that people who dont take drugs are missing out, i feel that without drugs ive got my life back. sorry if that sounds like a load of shit to everyone, its hard to put into words
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah i think im missing out on makin a total twat out of myself, possible overdose and subsequent brain damage/death, possible unfortunate sexual enconters that i wouldnt have even consider if not off my face, oh and criminal charges for possession.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So none of those things can come from alcohol can they? People act dumber when pissed than when high.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i only drink in moderation, can just get natural high thanx
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Actually, I think the title of this thread is a bit wrong. Just ignore it and read what I have typed in previous posts and give your opinions on them. What I really meant was that I think people who have never tried e at least once are missing out because although I think they can still love dance music, they just can't quite appretiate it as much. I mean think about it, dance music more or less revolves around ecstasy. The scene was basically started in the UK after Oakenfold and the rest went to Ibiza and discovered E and acid house.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by leese:
    <STRONG>i only drink in moderation, can just get natural high thanx</STRONG>


    And I only take drugs in moderation. It works both ways.

    To quote Ali G "the worst thing about ecstasy is that it actually makes you like house music."

    I used to hate dance music... shit repetitive beats. I started to get used to it before I took my first pill, but after I just ouldn't get enough. I think it is perfectly possible to love dance music without taking E, but not to the same extent, in the same way that it is perfectly possible to feel loved up without taking a pill.

    If you close your eyes, and really listen to the music when rushing it is so much more intense and beautiful. The ecstasy adds a new dimension to it, not a different perspective. Its (kinda)like... living in a 2D world, and not knowing anything else, you'd be perfectly happy doing so. But then to experience 3D, it adds so much more.

    And, IMO, acid adds about 7 more dimensions to music. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mmmm - now isn't this just a typical drug users theory? "I take drugs and so therefore I know more than you do and I get more than you do through the experience"

    How do you know what goes on in people's heads? I know plenty of people who never use drugs and they get as much out of life and music and the whole club thing as they need to,... isn't this the point?

    Don't judge...drugs make you feel more confident probably and so you fell more like you know it all...but it ain't neccesarily true!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny:
    <STRONG>Mmmm - now isn't this just a typical drug users theory? "I take drugs and so therefore I know more than you do and I get more than you do through the experience"

    How do you know what goes on in people's heads? I know plenty of people who never use drugs and they get as much out of life and music and the whole club thing as they need to,... isn't this the point?

    Don't judge...drugs make you feel more confident probably and so you fell more like you know it all...but it ain't neccesarily true!</STRONG>


    Its a fact that drugs like ecstasy highten your senses, nobodies saying if your not on drugs you can't enjoy yourself, but the vast majority of drug users will tell you clubbing on drugs is better.

    Drug users are the only people in a position to judge as they've seen / felt both sides of the argument, its a basic conclusion.
    yeah i think im missing out on makin a total twat out of myself, possible overdose and subsequent brain damage/death, possible unfortunate sexual enconters that i wouldnt have even consider if not off my face, oh and criminal charges for possession.


    Your are far more likely to die / get brain damage as a result of drinking too much than using drugs

    You are far more likely to have unwanted sexual encounters whilst drunk than on pills.

    You are far more likely to commit a criminal offence whilst pissed than on drugs

    You are a million times for likely to make a twat of yourself whilst pissed than on drugs

    Stupid point you've made there really <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fair point, eb, but what if I don't drink either? Where's the argument then?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DJP:
    <STRONG>Fair point, eb, but what if I don't drink either? Where's the argument then?</STRONG>


    Then you can still enjoy life, and get all you need out of it. However, you will not have experienced what else there is to experience. You will not have seen a 3D world, and therefore will not be able to miss it... if you can't miss it, you can enjoy your own life fully, and it makes no difference to you. However, experience 3D, and 2D seems kinda.... flat.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
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    Then you can still enjoy life, and get all you need out of it. However, you will not have experienced what else there is to experience. You will not have seen a 3D world, and therefore will not be able to miss it... if you can't miss it, you can enjoy your own life fully, and it makes no difference to you. However, experience 3D, and 2D seems kinda.... flat.</STRONG>

    not neccesarily, ive experienced it, and i dont really miss it. in some ways im glad ive been through it because at least i know now, so i can make a comparison. im quite happy with reality though
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    originally posted by Byny:
    <STRONG>"I take drugs and so therefore I know more than you do and I get more than you do through the experience"</STRONG>

    In a way yes, we do know more, after all we are the ones who actually know what the experience is like!

    Byny, I have the upmost respect for those that go out and enjoy raving/clubbing without the use of ecstasy, yet there is no doubt that users get more out of the music.

    The point is that people shouldn't diss it until they've tried it. The only people who can really judge properly are the people who've taken it and understand it. If ecstasy didn't highten the experience of raving and clubbing, people wouldn't do it.

    My honest opinion is that people who have never taken ecstasy are missing out. Ecstasy, is an amazing experience that has changed me for the better, it's given me some of the best nights and memories of my life.

    No Regrets! <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DJP:
    <STRONG>Fair point, eb, but what if I don't drink either? Where's the argument then?</STRONG>


    Thats fine, you can and probably do have as much fun and enjoyment as the next person <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    You will be healthier, less likely to get into trouble with the law and won't do stupid things <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    The point i'm making is people who haven't used drugs in the clubbing experience can't really claim to know if it improves it or not, only drug users know and on the whole agree it improves matters. So I would conclude that people who don't use drugs to miss out to an extent, on the experience of drugs if nothing else <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fair comment, eb. I agree, and I respect that opinion.

    How nice it is to have a sensible discussion, eh?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by DJP:
    <STRONG>Fair comment, eb. I agree, and I respect that opinion.

    How nice it is to have a sensible discussion, eh?</STRONG>


    Very much so <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Its comments like
    yeah i think im missing out on makin a total twat out of myself, possible overdose and subsequent brain damage/death, possible unfortunate sexual enconters that i wouldnt have even consider if not off my face, oh and criminal charges for possession.

    that tend to send these discussions into an all out abusive slagging match <IMG SRC="mad.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Drugs are a difficult thing to debate, because really the only positive side of our argument is how they make us feel, which can't be considered by those who haven't tried them and hence a true debate is impossible <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    It tends to leave a merry-go-round of trying to disprove one another, which tends to go nowhere other than an unproductive argument <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quite. And I don't feel qualified to offer an opinion, since I have never tried them.

    But if you're telling me something, then I can't tell you you're wrong. There are some objectionist people who will naysay just as a reflex, without consideration, and I think it's that which causes degenerative threads.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fine good point made. People can get what they want out of life wiht out the use of drugs. I often go to clubs and have a great time not beeing under the influence of MDMA or Alcohol. But the point i think that is trying to be made here is not whereather it is right or wrong but that the experience is far more welcoming under the influence of MDMA. MDMA enhances yur perception. A dog can smell ten times better then we can, the exact ammount i do not know so do not quote me, and thus is able to smell things that ouor senses do not allow us to comprehend. Yet we still get satisfaction from smelling a freshly baked cake. My point is that NOT under the influence we can still have fun, smell the cake, but once under the influence yur perception is enhanced at yu are able to get a clearer perspective, feeling for the music. The E allows yu too really feel the music. Standing on stage the Box next to yu yu can feel the beats surging through yur body. Yu cannot experience this with out E and totally sobre.
    Now what i am trying to say is choose for yurself. Without E is pleasurable by all means have funn to the fulliest, but clubbing is definately, from my point of view, only truly experienced to it's fulliest under the influence of E.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with yu Eb, one cannot critise or judge an experience until they themselves have done it. I have not yet met a person who has had a Standard E trip and not said that it was the best feeling unlike any other.
    There are the exceptions of bad trips that that is as i say an exception and in life there are many exceptions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Confucius:
    <STRONG>A dog can smell ten times better then we can, the exact ammount i do not know so do not quote me, and thus is able to smell things that our senses do not allow us to comprehend. Yet we still get satisfaction from smelling a freshly baked cake. </STRONG>


    Quite, good metaphor <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've enjoyed music my entire life. Their is a type of music to match any mood or mindframe I'm in at any moment. Fortunately, it seems a great deal of the more positive forms of music are enhanced by drugs, in fact much of it was meant to be listened to under the influence or even written by those under the influence. When I smoked for the first time I used to listen to Pink Floyd "Piper at the Gates of dawn" and go to what seemed like a different world. Then came Greatful Dead shows where everybody was on some kind of Hallucinogen or X. Then I tampered with the the dance scene and did k and x and I never went to a reggae show where they weren't smoking. I'm past 90% of all that now so all I can do is look back and reflect on my own experiences and ask myself were they worth it. My answer 90% of the time is most definately yes. That's not to say I can't enjoy music sober, but just that I feel I have experienced it from different angles and therefore come to appreciate it at new levels which in my case have been more pleasurable most of the time. The problem with drugs is knowing where to draw the line between using them to open your mind a bit and enhance your environment and depending on them to have a good time or becoming addictive. It also helps to have good safe sources and be with the right crowd. I could ramble forever on this subject, but for now I'll just say drugs have been one important variable for making me a well rounded person.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hello, in 1999 i liked rock, my favorite band were pink floyd,deep purple,led zeppelin, cardigans, and they i even now but in 1999 i met a friend who smoked weed a lot and i did not know and started to share a flat with him (we were classmates at University) before i used to dring a lot even during the day, i hated house and techno as a music for stupid. That i started to smoke weed on a daily basis and than in early 2000 i experienced LSD, cocaine,speed and this was the heaven, i changed a lot, i found new friends, i started to trust myself and i changed my life and i enjoy it now. Than i experienced Ecstasy and i was amazed, but LSD stays the favorite. Now i do X once a week or two. I had a week when i did 5 pills a week and i am very cautious abou the use. I did a lot of research before the LSD and X. I have to say, i was nobody before X and now i feel i got it and even when i stop taking X i will have my memmories on it. I hate alcohol because it is the same shit even worse and it is legal, i woul appreciate replacing the aLCOHOL WITH thc AND MDMA or Acid.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kasander:
    <STRONG>I did a lot of research before the LSD and X. </STRONG>

    Having read each and everyone of your posts I find that hard to believe, you are the person who claims to go to work on e, who drives on e <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Your a mess and you need to sort yourself out before you end up face down in a ditch.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by ebb:
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    Having read each and everyone of your posts I find that hard to believe, you are the person who claims to go to work on e, who drives on e <IMG SRC="confused.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Your a mess and you need to sort yourself out before you end up face down in a ditch.</STRONG>

    Why should i persuade you. Yes i was driving on E at work, yes i was dripping a pill at work, i am WAN technician and often i just sit and browse the web. Actually i was soldiering and repairing printer at one of ours customers premises and i do not recommend taking pills at work its was hard to repair it and i wanted to get out to some club. I was driving like shit and its just my luck that i did not crushed somewhere in the city. Yes it is true i went for an exam supported by Piracetam + a pill and i was succesfull i can send you the paper from school. But what is so unbelievable for you. I hope i will not take pills at work anymore, i rather take pills with friend when clubbing, i smoke pot a lot and when i buy some i smoke from the morning till night for a week. I would like to stop or just reduce using drugs just to occations when it is required. I try to write truth and i try to help others. What is so disgusting about me for you, be more specific.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Anybody who knowingly endangers others through use of drugs is bang out of order
    Craziest things are to attend University on LSD and to take Oral exam from statistics on Extasy. will i ever stop? that is a question to you. what do you think?
    . I tried to take pills dayly and it is possible but i did not get the most and got used to do it and somehow it was normal to take pill in the morning or to take it at work

    I haven't the time to continue, there are several more such posts, with things like you drive on them etc etc..., but they both imply you've a problem ?

    I find it somewhat unlikely you did any research, if you did you shouldn't of bothered as you clearly didn't take any of it in, were you pills at the time by any chance <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    You may well be back on the straight and narrow, but i read everything on here carefully and you don't make sense to me.
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