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The best academics in the country are not all at Oxbridge. You should do your research a little better.
No, they are. They are the best universities in the country. They have more leading academics than any other unversity.
I never "merely suggested" that it was the top of every league table. They are the top of the overall league table though and are better universities than York and everywhere else.
Congratulations on having contradicted yourself.
If you read the papers at all, you would have seen the study conducted among leading academics where the results suggested that with all benefits both major and fringe taken into account, Bristol was actually was where the majority of academics preferred it.
Bomberman has hit the nail on the head. For example, Russian at Brisol is, or at least was when I applied, better than Oxbridge owing to the teaching staff (academics in your language groovechampion), just as Aeronautical Engineering is best by a country mile at Southampton.
Again, groovechampion, I challenge you to do your research.
Who says the best students are at Oxbridge? Once again the other top universities in specific subject areas can have higher entrance grades than Oxbridge's. York is an AAB to get onto a computer science degree usually which is about the same as Oxford.
The best students will be wanting to go where the best departments are. Oxbridge is most definatly not the be all and end all of universities.
Also out of interest, Thunderstruck, if you know, how does Bristol's Russian department compare to Bradford. Bradford was supposed to be pretty good for Russian when I was there. I think it was Dr John Russell claiming to be one of the top 10 UK Russian translators at the time.
it depends on subjecy, he wants to do maths and he wants to go cambridge which as far as im aware is one of the best in the world to go to for mathematics
they are fussy on grades for getting interviews, but if you do a good interview they give a offer which you can get with work, not an impossible offer
i got rejected for interview from imperial for software engineering with ABB in maths physics chemistry and a very good external knowledge of computers, so its the grades they turned me down on, whilst for chemistry there i got a offer of BBB there, as i killed the interview there due to fact i learn the lgoic of things not the end result so could attempt a half decent answer for things ive never seen
shyboy go for cambridge if you think youre good enoguh but youll have to stick with physics as its applied maths, and you cant make yourself good for their interviews, you either are or you arent, and well youll find otu if you like it there too.
i got accepted to imperial i didnt take it though, i decided to go ucl with bristol 2nd choice instead, and im glad i did
you do get 4 choices of where/what to apply to so just choose a good variety for your subject
getting into oxbridge for undergrad isnt the beall and endall of things, my unis 7th in the uk or something at moment overall and 15th for my subject, but its one of the best research centres in europe and im learning better from their style of teaching than i would of at teaching univeristies
The argument being made is whether or not oxbridge is the big daddy of uni's like some people see it. Overall grading is pretty useless for any individual as they want to know about their subject.
I didn't look into Bradford to be honest. I only applied to Bristol and Durham and chose Bristol.
I'm not sure how the department is ranked now but we have Mike Basker who is a world Pushkin authority (his Pushkin series) and Professor Derek Offord who, quite literally, wrote the book on Russian Grammar (here and here) which are on just about every single university Russian syllabus in the world. We also had, before he retired, Richard Peace, who any Russian student will tell you is a world authority on Dostoevsky and Tolstoy. Not a bad little department really!
You're wrong. Go look at the Times Higher education supplement online section. There's a survey among 1,300 of the worlds best academics - they rated Cambridge then Oxford as the world leaders in Science. They were followed by several American universities with the rest of the British unis comparatively far behind.
Academics - thats what universities have
So you're point is that Russian at Bristol was rated top for teaching the year you applied? So? Oxford and Cambridge are higher than Bristol for a much larger list of subjects and rate higher in many other aspects too.
If you're interested check out this article on the Top 200 universities in the world, Oxbridge are the only British unis in the top ten.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1343642,00.html
Better? How?
A degree from Oxford has more kudos, regardless of the teaching record for the years you were there.
Not sure how else it can be "better".
Sorry? Where were the mistakes in my post?
I can speak English and it seems that you're a little stoked that I pointed out the fact that you contradicted yourself.
So all in all, it appears you are a wanker.
I was talking about the 4 line long sentence that didn't make much sense.
I'm not really stoked. How did I contradict myself? Do you just like saying that randomly?
I pointed out that you were wrong and "did my research" :rolleyes:
You were being a sarcastic nob and talking drivel.
Apart from the absence of two commas, that was a fine sentence.
It depends which science, and which academics were asked.
For a lot of subjects Oxbridge don't feature in the top five rated universities. For a lot they do, particularly classics, but even in something as classic as politics one of the best academics is at Keele, and one is at Newcastle, and several more are at other Russell Group universities.
I would also point out that reputation and actual ability are quite often unrelated. Durham is very highly regarded- many see it as the 3rd university behidn Oxbridge- but on the Times tables it isn't so good.
I would also point out that "kudos" depends on which profession you wish to enter. The computing profession, for instance, see universities like York to be the daddy, and for teaching places like Northumbria are regarded very highly.
As Kermit said employers are likely to know which univiersities are good in their field. Oxford just isn't that good so I am sure "Kudos" has nothing to do with it. Any employer of Computing professionals will know York is of a very high standard. It has more money than the equivalent Cambridge department brought in each year and is internationally reknowned for its research and the quality of students it produces.
Yes, for several subjects Oxbridge is not top. But for many more, they are rated number 1. Obviously other universities are not worthless because they don't rival Oxbridge, they just aren't as good. Everyone seems to always mention their own university as being the "3rd behind Oxbridge" or with a department that is better than the equivalent Oxbridge one. Is that what this is about?
I suppose that's true if there is a field directly related to your degree. But for anyone with a social science, arts or other non-vocational degree their employer will probably have no idea whether the department they studied at is good or poor.
In the grand scheme of things Oxford and Cambridge really aren't the best.
A lot of degree's do map onto particular career paths. Social sciences do lend themselves towards certain careers. Employers WILL know where the best departments are. Seeing Oxford or Cambridge at the top really doesn't mean much anymore.
I will point out again generalising a university on all of its courses is irrelevant when looking at particular courses. Graduate employers are going to have some sort of idea of where the best departments are.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8404-1246752.html
Please also read that before posting about Oxbirdge being on top.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/students/story/0,9860,801782,00.html
I don't agree. I don't think they place that much value on the department, I think the most important thing is the final classification (i.e. 2:1 or above), then the overall reputation of the university and then what you have done outside of academia. I don't think the teaching quality of the department you studied at will make much of a difference.
"it has a recent track record better than that of Oxford, according to the official assessments of teaching quality."
with regard to the York link above.
Merely the fact Oxbridge earns more doesn't mean they are more highly prized. They also have more First students who are likely to land better jobs.
How can you say that someone will rank the university you went to and not the department? The department is very relevant and the university much less so.
Really? It seems that it depends where you look. Especially when your article is dated 2 years ago-things change, and fast.
Back onto the original topic of the thread-ShyBoy, I would say go for it-the worst that they can do is say no
For the record, I only took the piss out of your "retarded" English because you were sarcastic and randomly claiming I'd contradicted myself.
Yeah! Makes total sense! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Maybe its you that doesn't read people's posts, or even re-read your own :thumb:.
But it doesn't matter, I only said it because you were being annoying by being sarcastic and patronising.
Yeah sorry, you can't win this kind of argument anyway.