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Hmmmm, not only was I not alive when Hitler was rampaging - neither was I from one the countries you mention........
I think his TOP TEN REFERRERS says it all really...........
1 (1) Instapundit
2 (7) Little Green Footballs
3 (8) Arts & Letters Daily
4 (6) Tim Blair
5 (13) Free Republic
6 (10) Andrew Coyne
7 (4) Allahpundit
8 (14) Powerline
9 (-) Right Goths
10 (-) NRA
So, a man with a boer name, who is of Jewish descent, baptised a catholic, confirmed as an anglican and attends a baptist church says that lefties are anti-semitic.
Now go fuck yourself.
How fucking sad, predictable and pathetic.
I'd imagine Jewish people themselves must be sick to death of utter clueless cunts such as Mark Steyn and their readiness to use the Holocaust to push their ultra right wing extremist agendas. Talk about insulting the memories of 6 million people :rolleyes:
Not until you give up your constant agenda of anti-Israeli cloaked anti semitism.
Pathetic. You cant even deny it.
Its a very real truth. You can put your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen all you want, but the fact remains. European critiscism of Israel is rooted in their own shame for the horrors they committed against the Jewish people.
THe Continent and its massive extreme left and right wing associations are nasty, bigoted and backward looking.
You really have to wake up and see that te truth.
personally my criticism of Israel has nothing to do with race or creed or the holocaust...it's their aggression towards Palestine, i could say the same for the Colombian government fighting the Marxist FARC group...i've always supported the weaker side in a dispute....
Bullshit. Has anyone spoken a bigger load of bollocks than this? Ever?
Are you on ket today?
Is that the best you lot can do? LOL
Britain's military is far more active than the IDF, I have to say. Read this article and scroll down to 1990-Present:
Also note the table underneath indicates current deployments, where 13 non-uk countries have a UK military presence. I have to say it's simply untrue the IDF is engaged more than the UK. Due to the UK military's experience of peacekeeping and goodwill creating missions (really don't know what to call them) they are able to diffuse conflicts rather than escalate them.
I watched a documentary in based in Iraq of a police station being trained by the UK army, and there was a riot / protest outside (not violent just lots of people trying to get in, few stones thrown). The UK forces knew they were no significant threat but a few Iraqi policemen began firing into the air that just makes the situation worse.
Perhaps, like the UK military, the IDF needs extra emphasis in training on non combat approaches to situations, because you can't solve every problem with a gun.
What makes it different to the UK is that the State of Israel and its people are just a couple of miles down the road, not thousands of miles away in a different country.
Unless you are suggesting that illegally occupying other people's towns and villages, breaking into their homes, abusing them, illegally imprisoning them, shooting dead little girls who were on their way to school or ripping vines from the ground all form part of defending the state of Israel.
Northern Ireland is not thousands of miles away though, it's sovereign UK soil. In northern ireland there has been conflict and the paras have acted damn out of order, not least on bloody sunday. However, every few weeks you hear of an incident from the IDF, whereas you get the one or two sensationalist cases about other militaries. It's disproportionate and in my opinion it's because of a lack of discipline and proffesionalism and/or a high degree of racism/bigotry among the soldiers.
Now, if Israel want to be taken seriously, they need to take a hand o their armed forces. They are the strong arm of any nation, 'actions speak louder than words' - look at America. After the Abu Graib (i so can't spell that, forgive me) incident sympathy with them went down the pan. Same with the UK and our own photographs. Same with China and shooting students.
I am a pacifist in the sense non-violent options are always the most effective. Security is always a concern though and a presence is needed otherwise any nation will devolve into criminals. However, when a security or military force takes matters into it's own hands it does reflect upon the country they serve for. I think any country wanting to look like it's taking issues seriously needs to take a hold on basic principles such as this.
Well, its going to be impossible for me to give up the anti-semitism I never felt, isn't it?
Mark Steyn clearly knows fuck-all about the things he writes about - he makes up what his pig-arrogant stupid right-wing readers want to read.
And, I shall give up criticising Israel only when it stops its appalling racism, human rights abuses and war crimes.
All those values that you defend so badly..........
:yippe:
"Here's where things stand in Palestine: an Arab population of more than three million - an educated and cultured people - is being abased. These are the last Palestinians to cling to their homeland. (There are more millions all over the world - a diaspora weirdly reminiscint of the Jewish diaspora, and the "Jewish Problem" that Israel was designed to fix.) These are the Palestinians who wouldn't run, or couldn't, or would only run so far. It is their vow - and their triumph (if it may be so called) -- That they'll stay, despite everything.
Everything is pretty much what they're up against now.
Economically, they are being driven -- steadily and by apparent plan -- to a preindustrial subsistence. Any of their lands that their captors desire may be taken -- for military purposes, for settlement, or a security zone, or a road, or a fence, at any time. Through most of this occupation, nothing the Palestinians built was permitted or legal in Israeli courts -- so nothing was built for good. The Palestinians are basically an unarmed people -- with no military force that deserves the name (no armor, artillery, warships or aircraft) -- that is in daily confrontation with one of the worlds best armies. Moreover, that opposing army serves a policy that is designed to hinder and embitter daily civilian life, the simplest rights and duties of human existence: going where one needs to, making a home, raising a family, or making a living. And if a Palestinian opposes these hindrances with too much vigor, with violence, or too noisily, his property may be forfeit, or his freedom, or his life, without meaningful restriction and often without a price."
Richard Ben Cramer - ibid pp 76 - 77
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=640937
Sounds good but will it really work? Anyway, not much point me even posting so I'll now be in the health forum maybe posting about things I actually know about!
Hmm, the "Arc plan" is not without its critics, on both sides.....
Bethlehem bloggers
It got a mixed reception at JeW*SCHooL as well.
I swear that that railway line runs through East Jerusalem - now, in all seriousness, what are the chances of Sharon, Netanyahu or Perez letting that happen?
:eek2:
So British soldiers weren't in Northern ?Ireland practicising internment? So there weren't bombs going off all over the UK from the IRA? At the end of the day it was still on british sovereign soil.
Are you saying that it's ok / more acceptable to intimidate, bully and kill people if there's no ocean between you? If the IDF are so experienced at local peacekeeping then why are they still so crap at it? Unless the method they employ involves ethnic cleansing?
I'm not saying that all of them are bad, just a dangerously large proportion. In the UK you would have einquiries of institutional racism, but I don't know of any such inquiries from Israel.
A bunch of right-wing Americans spouting utter rubbish. Bad grammar and spelling too! These blog sites are interesting for getting a very honest opinion from both sides. The electronic intifada site was good, more fact, less opinion. Seriously mate, Jewschool - And I don't know why I keep telling my girlfriend off for saying that american jews are not proper Jews anyway, very strange! I was speaking to a few young Israelis about the wall last summer and it seems that 'down with the kids' the wall is not exactly something to be proud of. The right wing always get their way in the end it seems?
Ben
Jewschool is a bit of a mixture - they get a lot of flack from the zionist right, but clearly, at the end of the day, they are zionists.
So, here's a 'joke' from the comments section of Orthodox Anarchist:
Q: What is the difference between the Israeli right and the Israeli left?
A: The Israeli right wants to put all the Palestinians on buses and send them into Jordan. The Israeli left wants those buses to be air-conditioned.
And people say anarchists are humourless :chin:
Wake up and smell the coffee my friends, Arab terrorism has done much to foster distrust and fear within the small courageous state of Israel. Arafat was a crook, a mafia chief, who controlled terrorists and paid them to kill innocent women and children. So stop pretending all the badness is on one side - it isn't, its a dirty war not helped by Palestinian/Arab intransigence over the years when they've done everything in their power to drive the Isreali's into the sea.
If you weren't a troll, I'd ask you to back your claims up. But you wouldn't do it, or be able to do it. And you are troll, so I don't really care what you think.
It's not that they are not proper Jews. It's just that they have created their own branch, wich doesn't fit too great with the conduct of European Jewry.
That said, it will probably be American Jewry which will "save" the rest, and are already to an extent doing so.
So what's the difference between european jews, american jews and israelis? American Jews have the identity of faith and of a patriotic country too. Can American Jews consider themselves Israeli? They could move to Israel, spend a stretch doing a little National Service then settle in downtown Tel-Aviv...surely that would be more Zionist than preaching that every Palestinian be moved to Jordan. Btw my girlfriend is half israeli (Polish descent) and she chooses to abstain from argument on the subject.
I'm not anti-Israel. I spent my tourist Shekels there last summer. Good falafel in Nahariya. I want to go back but I keep getting this sick feeling that by doing so I'm condoning oppression.
I believe 'Americans' 'serve' in the Israeli army all the time. Here's one guy who would have been particularly useful to the soldiers who prompted this thread. :thumb:
I'd be curious to know how many Jewish Americans and Britons serve in the Israeli, British and American armed forces if anybody has figures.
Unless of course his intention all along was to sign up in the hope to blow up a few dirty Arabs himself and further the zionist cause.
I'm sure the famously generous Jewish organisations in the US will help out his political campaign.
American Jews as a whole (they have hell of a lot of big and influential groupings which I won't get into) have embraced the old Ashkenazi Jewish culture, but without maintaining the rituals with the same love as they do with the "spirit".
In Europe, or at least in Denmark, we are on the other hand pretty low-key about our Judaism (not denouncing it, just not walking around with t-shorts saying Jewcy on them etc.) yet try to maintain the rituals to an extent where it fits our lives.
Israelis are a grouping of their own, with so many fractions and waves and poles etc that it's really hard to characterize them as a whole.
Btw, you must have noticed the sheer amount of Americans in Israel. Especially in Jerusalem, they've "taken over" the whole German Colony area. The Americans are doing a whole lot of Aliyah and study programmes in Israel and the like. They don't only preach - far from it - but show actions marking their words.
Regarding the whole foreigners in the IDF, there are special units and programmes designed for non-Israelis. http://www.mahal2000.com/
surely you must agree in getting peace the ball lies in israels side of the court?
im not doubting some parts of israel are beautiful, theyre also armedf to the teeth, id like see palestine bring in NS to stop them joining militias