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For a change, lets step away from whinging about waiting lists, and how you had to wait three hours in A&E and even then some complete bastard who'd cut his arm off got in before you. What do you think of this then?
For a change, lets step away from whinging about waiting lists, and how you had to wait three hours in A&E and even then some complete bastard who'd cut his arm off got in before you. What do you think of this then?
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if I was a qualified african doctor, I would most probably move to a country where I'd get paid a hell of a lot more money, that's for sure. So the lack of doctors in africa probably is in part due to the demand for them here...
Maybe we could get more from India, they have more graduates than all other countries put together, thye must have some to spare.
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Do you think that a person CAPABLE of providing a service should be told(and/or forced) HOW TO provide that service?
seeker
Quick answer. Yes.
So what do you think, or is this another of those occasions when you don't actually offer an opinion Mr Troll?
I think it's very emotive and designed to appeal directly to Indy readers.
Without doctors from overseas we could see exactly the same story anout a UK child, then what do you think the story would be. Especially considering your comments about what we do complain about.
Put it this way. If more UK residents trained, then we wouldn't need to recruit from overseas. Perhaps the Indy journalist and editor would like to consider retraining?
Quick answer.No.
"Mr.Troll" is of the opinion that slavery is wrong.
seeker
I do not beleive generally that govt should tell people where they can live
Any solution to this issue should be positive rtaher than negative, i.e. encourage more training abroard and domestically, or target aid at health sectors etc, not controls on immigration as this could easily be an excuse for Tory like views in the current climate.......
Mr Troll need to look at that definition again. Particularly the "bound in servitude" part because that does not apply.
However, perhaps you would like to explain why the person purchasing a service should not dictate how that service is to be delivered?
Given that I'm no expert on health and have to rely on the Doctor's advice I'm rather glad that there are other professionals regulating that service to ensure that he conforms to accpeted practice and doesn't decide that the best cure for a broken finger is to amputate my arm.
Or would seeker prefer a wholly unregulated system where we take pot luck on how we are treated?
It's not just that we rely on foreign trained doctors and nurses - African countries remain poor and healthcare there is extremely limited for most of the population. Meanwhile, we spend money on utterly pointless research. A bit of perspective would be nice sometimes.
Hang on, aren't you an arch freemarket capitalist?
Doesn`t apply to what exactly? The definition certainly applies to MY question.
I agree with you.A person purchasing (a voluntarily offered) service should be able to dictate how the service is delivered.How does that apply to MY question ?
seeker
Even if it amounts to slavery ?
Who decides what is accepted practice? How can YOU be sure that "Mr. Professional Regulator" is more knowledgeable about YOUR health than "Mr.Doctor" ?
Are all, or should I say any,of the decisions that you take based on "pot luck" ?
seeker
God forbid that mutual consent be a part of the equation,eh ?
seeker
Evidently my nametag says "Mr.Troll" the "arch freemarket capitalist"
Purely for (my) educational purposes.....
Question for Man Of Kent:
What is a "Mr.Troll" ?
Question for Blagsta:
What is an "arch freemarket capitalist" ?
seeker
It would if that person couldn't withdraw their services. Which was my point.
Instead of being criptic and trying to be clever why don't you just come out with whatever it is you are thinking. Saves us a lot of bother you know.
Not doing so explains my description of you as a troll.
If you want to know what it means, in internet terms, then I suggest you look it up.
Mr Regulator isn't there to do that. He isn't there to look at your health per se.
BTW as an example, not killing someone is accepted practice. You don't need to be Einstein to work that out.
Do you think I was being cryptic ? Strange,I thought I had asked an explicit question.I even emphasised certain words in an attempt to avoid being misunderstood.
seeker
What,EXACTLY,is "Mr.Regulator" there to do ?
But you do need a "Mr. Regulator" to tell you ?
seeker
Is there anything that we can do to plug the gap?
But unless we stop the right to freedom of international travel, then there will always be people who travel abroad for more money.
You only to look at the ex pat engineering communities of the middle east to see how far people will go for a better paid job.
Did you ignore my post?
Qualified applicants who wish to be doctors are not in short supply, places on courses are, which is why they are tryign to open more medical schools. This is a long term solution, however.
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