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sorry i didn't get to read that...maybe in your area but there's nothing much for me to do...
So? Should we have sectioned off places for each generation then? Whatever happened to their rights?
What happened to you then?
At any time, did you actually face any threat, or was it just your fear which drove you to leave. There is a difference and in part you fear is likely to have been unfounded.
No I don't agree with underage drinking. But it isn't my responsibility, it's their parents responsibility.
Again, why is their drinking a reason for them not to be allowed to congregate in a specific area?
Do you know if anyone asked them if this is what they wanted?
And does this park then negate their right to go any where else?
Yes you should ask. Why should they be polite, if you aren't? Why should they have respect for you, if you want them banned from the site?
It works both ways and I do think that the older generation needs to set an example, at the moment we are just showing contempt and we deserve that back.
BeckyBoo, why should your unfounded fear impact on anyone else's freedom? I'm terrified of women over the age of 30 with a pre-teenaged daughter in tow, should they be banned from the park too?
If the older generations continually look down on, and patronise youngsters, then youngester will live down to their reputation. Why be a good to people when all that happens is they throw it back in your face?
If all they are doing is having a drink and saying "fuck" a lot then so what? We have gangs of kids opposite out house, and they've never done anything to us except ask for lights. When I've had a light I've given them one, big deal.
If I had a child and they introduiced a curfew where I lived, then that child and his/her friends would be under strict instructions to go out every night and congregate in terrifying groups.
and if I had my way then kids drinking alcohol in public places would have the alcohol confiscated and then they would be taken back home to let the parents know what they had been doing. If my Daughter was in the park drinking then I'd wanna know about it...........end of tbh.
when you have a young child then come back and tell me that you dont mind teenagers saying : Come here ya fucking fat cunt, your a fucking wanker, you are a fucking fat bastard, what do you call that dickhead who shagged that fucking ugly Shazza in the dunes last weeketc etc etc...........unless of course you dont mind your kid going to school repeating things to the teacher. Our Becks is of the age where she knows its wrong but there was a couple of younger ones who could hear what was being said.
anyways ive had my say, let someone else talk.
The irony of all these curfews is that, on one hand, the government want kids playing outside so that they aren't all the size of buses, but on the other hand we can't have too many of them playing out because someone might be scared by their hoodies.
Kids drinking alcohol can, and do, have it confiscated, FYI.
Only if they are caught and only if we have bobbies on the beat......which we have very little of, so in reality only a minority get it confisctaed.
I think being intimidated is a legitimate concern, and those who are belittling that feeling have either never experienced it, or are totally heartless.
Children's play areas are designed for the use of children. If those children or their parents do not feel safe to use these parks then something ought to be done.
To be frank, I think these youths enjoy the feeling of power they get through intimidating others. It's a form of control and may well be expression of their lack of control in other areas of their lives.
If they are actually behaving in an intimidating way then fair enough. But feeling intimidated just becuase they're mucking about in groups, swearing amongst each other and doing nothing else but being loud kids then it's your problem.
You know how to solve it - give these kids something to do.
If I had kids I'd far rather they were be out with people their own age and learning social skills than stuck at home watching TV or playing a computer.
It's stupid really - the government sells all the playing fields and then wages a war on youths hanging around in groups with nothing else to do.
Unfair.
Being intimidated for a reson, becuase someone's actions represent a threat is one thing. Being intimidated because someone is using public facilities is another.
Fear is the driver here, fear which has been created without reason (in most cases) but the media.
We should have a very good reason to deny someone their rights, and this isn't it.
I agree.
Banning orders isn't the answer though.
I agree here.
So why look to banning, rather than in addressing the real issue which you describe.
FYI As a teenager, I used to spend most of my evening hanging around the local rec. I defy anyone to say that they didn't.
erm i don't think thats a choice they make naturally...i mean do you really think them teens were born to drink and vandalise...i can almost garauntee that at least one teen out of that group has been abused or neglected by their parents, or one of their parents are alcoholics, i can garauntee that that teen drinks and vandalises because of his anger and alienation from life and i can garaintee that he brings the rest of his mates down because of this, teens are impressionable, they'll do what the "coolest" kid is doing, if thats drinking in a childs park then so be...why blame them..seriously thoiugh why would ya blame them...
I agree with you about the social problems, and as I said before, these should be the targets of our wrath, not the kids themselves.
However, that doesn't help with the immediate problem and I do think ordinary people have valid concerns.
But it does make a difference to the kids who right to free movement may be curtailed.
Guilt in "court of law" is a different matter.
Oh for goodness' sake, I'm surprised you can breathe with your nostrils that far up your own bottom.
It isn't very nice to listen to people swearing profusely, but so what? The word "fuck" isn't going to leave you face down in a gutter with a knife in your back. A ten-year-old girl knowing the word "fuck", and knowing that it's a bad word, isn't going to destroy the universe. Swearing isn't very nice, but it is NOT a reason to be afraid of someone. I heard a five-year-old calling the ref a "fucking wanker" not so long ago at the footy, are you seriously trying to tell me that you are scared of a five-year-old because he swears?
*sigh*
Big groups of people can appear very threatening, I am not denigrating that fear, which feels very real to the person experiencing it. If you actually paid attention to my argument you would notice that I was saying:
1. A fear of big gangs without them directly doing anything to make you in fear is irrational, no matter how severe the feeling of fear is.
2. Person A having an irrational fear of person B is not a reason to sevely restrict the freedom and liberty of person B. If I have an abject fear of people with beards, should they all be subject to curfew to accomodate my fear?
3. The fear is only created because of ridiculous media reporting anyway. So kids swear and hang around street corners swigging cider: when have kids ever NOT done that? Kids hang around opposite my house, and the worst I've ever experienced is some 12-year-old asking me for a light and calling his mate a "fucking cunt". It's not exactly crime of the century.
Of course it's a problem. It's a CHILDRENS park and BeckyBoo was with her DAUGHTER their. BeckyBoo does not want to subject her daughter to BAD LANGUAGE and thus does not feel that UNDER AGE CHILDREN should be ILLEGALLY drinking alcohol and SWEARING in an area designated for young children. Now your argument is she is unfairly infringing on the liberties of the teenagers despite the fact they are clearly doing something unnacceptable.
I am glad your children will be hearing the word "fuck" out of your mouth and you will educate them with your little picture book at the age of 2 the correct grammer that you excersise when swearing.
It does not matter on the age or individual person involved there is absolutely no excuse for swearing in a childrens play park at all. My argument had nothing to do with fear at all it had to do with the inapprorpriateness of swearing in a childrens play park. I didn't say having young children swearing was something that intimidates me I am saying there is no reason for people to be using that sort of language in an area designated for young children.
I find it very hard to believe many people will support your argument that people SHOULD be allowed to swear in a childrens playground but of course my nostrils are up my arse aren't they which is your opening argument so eloquently put.
Kermit read rule 1 as well for future reference. I would of thought by now you would know to read the rules before posting.
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?t=28758
i'm glad we can't all be as arrogant and patronising as you are...if you look at any major literary pieces this past century, all the greats have used swear words in their works, swearing can be very evocative and isn't a bad thing...so what if children know the F word, they're going to hear it regardless, on TV or from their mates or from people drinking in a park...now tell me...whats so wrong with swearing...does it effect the economy or something? are there cancerous substances in sound vibrations that come from swear words? please i'm dying to know...
The fact remains that it should be up to BeckyBoo to regulate the language her daughter hears. Of course she can do this if you imply she can't because she can stop her child watching certain TV programs and not use the language herself. However as soon as some youths start shouting bad language then they take away the decision from her. This is unacceptable in an area that is designed and provided for young children.
Of course turlough your point is irrelevant as young children can not read "major pieces" (which is of course an oppinion so your idea of these pieces could and probably do differ from my own unless you are arrogant enough to believe you know exactly what the major pieces are) so why do they need to know such language yet? I am not arguing against swearing I am arguing against forcing children at such an early age to hear it.
What does fuck mean turlough? Would you like to explain to a very young child or feel its appropriate at such an early age they know? Or will you tell them it has something to do with the Stork? Even better let the teenagers tell them what "fucking" is right after they introduce them to the word.
Good call!
Thank you, I was gonna say halleluya but wasnt sure of the spelling
thank you
Im never sure of the spelling of that