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Disabled mans killer gets life
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Now normally id say he deserves all he gets but this case is different.
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This man begged doctors to admit him to hospital just days before the attack because of his mental state of mind and was not listened to or at least not taken seriously and now he is paying the price for some doctors cock up.
No mention of his state of mind eh.
do you think the doctors involved in this case should now be investigated ?
Personally I think they should because they obviously were negligent.
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This man begged doctors to admit him to hospital just days before the attack because of his mental state of mind and was not listened to or at least not taken seriously and now he is paying the price for some doctors cock up.
The judge, Mr Justice Holland, told Jones: "You came into that house as a lodger, you drank all his alcohol, you picked a quarrel with him and you attacked him repeatedly, brutally and mercilessly."
No mention of his state of mind eh.
do you think the doctors involved in this case should now be investigated ?
Personally I think they should because they obviously were negligent.
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Given the amount of psychological reports that are given to a judge to aid his direction in these cases, I would suspect that the judge has been correct to convict for murder. It's always impossible to make a good judgment without all the facts, and in criminal cases all the facts are not available to the general public.
In fact, the general public rarely have an inkling of even a majority of the facts, because certain facts are kept out of newspapers by judicial process, and some facts are kept out by media editorial policy.
And if he was convicted of murder, this implies that he is not of diminished responsibility that may have been the case if he were mentally ill at the time of the killing.
Tell me what "obviously negligent" means?
Days earlier he had begged them to put him into psychiatric hospital, they didnt.
If they had taken him into hospital like he requested then this man would still be alive today. Doctors make decicions and on this occasion they made the wrong decision and a man has lost his life because through it.
My view is that the doctors involved have not done their job properly. Here we have a fella who holds his hands up and says he has a mental illness but they let him out............someone should be held responsible.
Going into hospital and claiming to be mentally ill a week before killing someone does not mean that hospital treatment would have helped.
I think you underestimate just how difficult it is to assess how dangerous people are.
If you had your way we'd be locking up an awful lot of people.
No dont even go there. Where have I said in this thread anyone should be locked up, im stating exactly the opposite, this fella asked for psychiatric help and was not given it.
Now you lot here keep telling me that prisoners get assessed for early release, well here is proof that doctors do not always get it right. This fella should have been in a psychiatric hospital like he requested then this tradgedy would never of happened.
What should the doctors have done for him?
What will the doctors do when he is due for release and he lets them think he is ok then when he gets out kill someone else because he is still mentally unstable ?
He should have been kept in a secure mental hospital, or something similar.
so put him out on the streets to kill someone...which is exactly what happened.
He killed the man, not them.
Like Kermit said, the judge would have been presented with evidence of this man's mental state and used them in his judgement.
How do we know he really did ask to be admitted to hospital?
Even if he had been in a secure unit, how do we know he wouldn't have attacked and killed someone there... a nurse or visitor perhaps? He obviously had the capabilities.
He wasn't put out on the streets. He was already there and had never been taken off them. He was not sectionable under the Mental Health Act.
Psychiatric hospitals such as St Luke's are there to treat and assess those in whom mental illness is suspected/diagnosed.
This guy just sounds like a psychopath, not someone with a mental illness.
Taken from todays Northern Echo.
Clearly, but that doesn't mean a doctor can prevent it.
We dont know, Im basing my thoughts on what I have read, I can only assume its correct.
If he was in a secure unit then he would be in a unit on his own wouldnt he? I dunno, I honestly dont know that side of it.
The fact that a mental illness defence has not been accepted makes me suspect that the person in question was not mentally ill at the time of the assault.