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Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
I don't understand you drug users, you are given an amazing chance in this world, your born a miracle, a delicate balance of thousands of chemical interactions, and spiritual greatness yet you feel the need to compromise it all for a quick buzz. Polluting the body is in no way good for you, and its a sin, a sin which ultimatly will lead you to hell, can you not enjoy life and all its wonders without doin heroin or ecstasy or anything like that ? Drugs only ever end in tears, they never have a happy ending. Is it that you wish to rebel against those which make you feel insecure ? Do you lack faith and guidance ? Can you justify such a shamless waste of the precious years you have ? Giving up isn't as hard as you imagine, i once had a friend who abused his body with drugs, but he found god, he found reason and direction, now he leads a happy normal life, why don't you try similar methods in your fight with evil ?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How much for a gram of this god? Sounds like good shit to me. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Each to their own mate. I don't really think that explaining anything to you is gonna help. A sin <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> ..yeah right <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">!

    Why don't you beam down to earth for a bit mate. It is possible to use drugs without abusing them. Just cos something makes you feel good doesn't mean it's a sin. In actual fact all ecstasy does is stimulate your brain into releasing a natural chemical called serotonin which encourages well being and love towards others. Very sinful. <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Thing is mate there's alot of us that know what we're doing and it's not affecting you so what does it matter to you.

    Too be honest, it seems as if you have a very closed mind when it comes to drugs. Obviously another victim of government bullshit. Stick around... you might learn something. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    P.S. If smoking cannabis is so sinful why did God create it it so it could get you stoned.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    oh, eb....?!


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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kaz i don't understand

    Whether its good or not isn't the point though is it ? As you say it gives you a chemical in your brain, which only upsets the natural balance. Can you even comprehend how amazing your body is ? how delicate it all is ? things can go so wrong so easily, people fall ill all the time, you only encourage the process. Its simple, a drug user is far more likely to suffer health consequences from drugs than somebody who does not, thats a fact, people from time to time die from drugs, bet they were sensible users as well.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    People die from alcohol and smoking but u dont hear people begging for these to be banned.

    i live once, im guna try and live my life to the fullest and experiment with stuff and experince as many wonderful things as possible, like drugs, seeing the world etc.

    Your way of life is ur way of life, thats how u live it, this is mine.

    Drugs havnet ruined my life, or any1 i know, as long as u dont abuse them then ur fine

    You put ur "faith" in sum guy who may ultimatly not exist. i mean the romans worshiped loads of gods, which they thought existed, now no1 cares about these gods anymore coz they are thought not to be real coz it has been decided by sumone otherwise.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sorry, Star. That was rude of me, bit of an in-joke thingy.

    I agree with you that life is a miricle, and that we are amazing. I appreciate the wonder of the chance we've been giving to live and be aware and learn. But I dont consider that linked to any external god, or morality, so I dont share your view about it being "sinful".

    Yes drug abuse is dangerous, and seems a waste of precious life. But I occasionally use drugs, moderately, and I feel it broadens and enriches my experience of this life. Many things that contain an element of danger are still worthwhile experiences... like mountain climbing. I just consider it another part of broadening my experiences, living life to the full: as long as I treat both the drug and myself with proper respect.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    alcohol and cigaretts puzzle me also, but the people who do such things are no better, no worse than yourselves - they may kill more people, but then do you drink or smoke ? if so your only doubling your chances of health implications, its just improving your chances of messing up your life. What you fail to understand is the beauty of life itself, every measure possible to protect it, is a worthwhile one, surely sacrificing drugs can't be that difficult ? The only time people seem to give up is after a bad experience, does that not set the alarm bells ringing ? Why is people usually can't tell their parents of their drug usage ? you have two people who have brought you into the world, provided for you, loved and cared for you, who shaped you, your personality, your character, yet this amazing thing you tell me about, you can't tell them - why ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kaz, why does your life need enriching further ? take a look around you, all the amazing things contained within your room, every breath your taking, the sounds you hear, the thoughts you somehow have ? do you feel the need to enrich further ? why can you not be content with what you have in life ? this enriching you speak of can turn very quickly into the exact opposite, what if your brain is damaged ? if you become depressed ? thats hardly enriched is it ? its possible, yet you seem to not care, waiting for consequences before you believe they will happen is a very stupid, naive way of going about things, and an action you will ultimatly regret

    how do i get those faces on the screen please ?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I sthe alternative to live in a protective bubble... never really experiencing life at all.

    I appreciate my mistakes as learning experiences, I would rather live life to the full, exploring and loving it (not disrespecting or being careless with it).

    A lifelived in fear is a life half lived, you have to take chances to grow.

    I think you are perhaps not truely appreciating the full extent of your life. I could be wrong, that is not a judgement, but I wouldn't like to go through life never trying anything or testing my limits.

    Just my opinion
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but this pushing it to the limits you speak of, it indicates you are not happy with what you have, you feel the need to search for more out of life ? even if it compromises life itself ? its a bit like gambling, you have your dollar, but you don't want just a dollar, you want ten, so you got risk your dollar on a ball game. Yet everyone else has just a dollar and is quite content with it, what is about your life that feels the need to have ten ? But when all said and done you may end up without a dollar, or you may get back a used, poor, ill dollar.

    And then you wish you'd stuck to your dollar, but its too late.

    If drugs didn't exsist, would you miss them ? No, you would have no idea of their presence and so, they would not be an issue, you would be just as content with things in that scenario, but now the temptation is there, you are too weak to leave things be.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well although I'm glad you have come as far as this..

    firstly... if you are a christian (and I'm presuming you are), then you are following someone who was himself a drug user (alcohol), Jesus thought so highly of getting into another state of mind that it was turned into a sacrament for all, alcohol is a far harder drug to defend than ecstasy or even heroin, although i personally think that you should avoid heroin / coke & crack at all costs. The plants however are here for our use... so as for calling cannabis or magic mushrooms or any plant Evil, is much like saying god has messed up. Maybe you should check out Genesis (I bet your a fundie so that should be right up your alley).

    why we take substances in the first place?, wake up and smell the resin-soaked bud that is the history of our species - getting into another state of mind / body for a while for whatever reason has always been our top priority after a good fuck.

    drugs aren't for everyone of course, but they are for me <IMG SRC="smile.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> and me and my drug-taking friends are a happy, talented, non-violent, intelligent, objective, hyper-artistic and basically loved-up bunch of poeple.

    As for the damage caused by drugs... much of it is cause by the fact that drugs are illegal. The War on Drugs is a total sham, all it has done is drive TRILLIONS of dollars into the hands of vicous criminals and millions of otherwise law abiding citizens into overcrowded jails whilst rapists and carjackers go free to make room. The drug cartels now have access to virtually unlimited funds, far more than could ever be put into the "war".

    NO DRUG USER SHOULD BE IN JAIL JUST FOR USING DRUGS

    Crack addicts and Heroin junkies need help just like Alcoholics do... but as for the rest of us... were not harming anybody else, and usually damaging ourselves far less than with many legal drugs.

    And just for the record.. nowhere in the bible is taking a substance or plant said to be a sin.

    Besides, whatever happened to thou shalt not judge?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Firstly i agree drugs should be legal, quite how the government has the right to dictate what one can put into his body, is beyond me.

    Secondly although i don't know, i assume drugs are fun, the positives must be of impressive standing as they in your eyes out weigh the negatives, this however is besides the point

    Thirdly although my first post may of mis-guided you, i'm not here to inform you of how wonderful god is, i use my faith as a guideline through life and so try to relate it to your lives, i'm here to understand why you use drugs

    Even if they were legal and are fun, that still would not justify risking your health. Just because alcohol may or may not do more damage, that isn't reason to do damage anyway is it ? All through your post psilocybian, you dodged all around my question, instead using different aspects of the wider picture. The question is why do you feel the need to risk everything you have for a quick high ? Nothing is more precious to you than your health, nothing, so why is it so neccessary to compromise it ? why can you just not take drugs and enjoy your wonderful chance on this earth ? do everything that people who don't use drugs do and get sufficent fufilment from ? this is what i don't understand, its this because they are good attitude, it doesn't add up, unprotected sex with someone who has AIDS would in the short term be good, enjoyable, legal, would appear to enhance life, would push boundaries, but then in the longer term you know the score. Taking drugs isn't much different is it when you think about ? o.k the consequences may or may not be as severe, but then unprotected sex may not at first glance appear to have such awful consequences, yet suddenly you find yourself at a clinic and those words are muttered to you, then what ? thats it, its all to late - well you to may find yourself in a clinic one day, hearing what you would rather not, but it will be too late, thats the sad reality of your actions
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    > The question is why do you feel the need to risk everything you have for a quick high ? <

    I don't feel that need, I look after my health very well, the poeple you describe are the skydivers and free-face climbers and motorbike stuntmen, they knowingly risk everything because they know that the feeling they get is beyond everything. I don't believe most of the poeple who post here fit into that category, the average recreational drug user in general abhors dicing with death.

    I want to live a long and happy life, so whenever I take drugs I look at the relative potential consequences and potential rewards, I then do all i can to minimise any risks involved. Yes I still might be running a small risk even with sensible precautions, but eating a chicken wing, entering a bar or crossing the road is dicing with death statistically speaking. I would never "gamble" with my being, anything that is likely to get me killed I am terrified of and avoid.

    As for what drugs have to offer..
    a helluva lot..
    some can open your mind, some can close it, some can send you to heaven, some can send you to hell, some can do all of those in the same night! Drugs have done PLENTY of good (and bad) in our time and times past and they are gonna continue to do so.

    reminds me of a south park quote;

    "Having never tried drugs I can positively say that they have nothing to offer!"


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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    why dont ya's vheck out the photo in anything goes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a risk involved in taking ecstasy, but it is such a small risk, and the benifits are so much, in my opinion, to be worth taking that risk.

    As I always say, I'd rather die at 50 and have the memories I intend to have, then play it safe and die at 70 without the memories.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Mindless all the way:
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    As I always say, I'd rather die at 50 and have the memories I intend to have, then play it safe and die at 70 without the memories.</STRONG>

    Rubbish, thats easy to say now, but ask yourself again at 48, when your grandchildren are starting to grow up, when your starting to look forward to retiring and spending your savings <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Its all to easy now to say that, 50 / 70 whats the difference, its all old, well it'll be here sharpish and you will give anything for that extra 20 years when it comes around. You people talk some crap. Ask yourself at the birth of your first child, when you've lost your job because of clinical depression and you can no longer provide, wheter it was worth it ? when your up in court, attaining a criminal record, stopping you ever finding decent employment, or from traveling abroad - the laws may be wrong, but you have to face the consequencs regardless <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by star_spangled_banner:
    <STRONG>its a bit like gambling, you have your dollar, but you don't want just a dollar, you want ten, so you got risk your dollar on a ball game. Yet everyone else has just a dollar and is quite content with it, what is about your life that feels the need to have ten ? But when all said and done you may end up without a dollar, or you may get back a used, poor, ill dollar.

    And then you wish you'd stuck to your dollar, but its too late.

    .</STRONG>

    May I direct you to the parable of the talents, of which I am sure you are aware, see what Jesus did to the man who was foolish enough to keep his talent and risk nothing...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Star - I was wondering how many hours on average you spend a) praying and b) in church every month, excluding social religious gatherings? Also I would be interested to know, in general terms, what you generally pray for? (I’m sorry if that seems too personal)

    There is a relevant purpose to my question so please bear with me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    reminds me of an old star-trek episode, where Q offers captain Picard a chance to change past decisions in his life in order to avoid a bar fight that almost got him killed... as his life is replayed he avoids all risk, always playing everything safe.
    He ends up a man devoid of all passion, still an un-noticed boring junior officer in his 50's.

    As poeple get older, they tend to forget what defined their character in the first place, star-spangled I cannot possibly understand you, without degrees of risk-taking NOTHING EVER HAPPENS, Captain Cook would have stayed in bed, Farraday would never have launched his kite, no-one would ever go swimming, climbing, diving or driving, there would never have been such things as Religion or Democracy, we would probably have devolved back into a pool of proteins by now if everyone thought like that, and I'm speaking as someone who takes more care himself than most.

    Now I'm not saying youre not entitled to a quiet life, I just wonder if you ever leave the house.

    you'd like to still be staring up at the moon dumbfounded? huge amounts of risk-taking allowed us to go there, to expand the horizons of the infinite beauty of things that you keep referring to. The Ecstasy-taker, the daily Joint-smoker, the magic-mushroom eater all take far far less risks exploring new worlds inner & outer than do astronauts, but ultimately they share the same right to do it.

    I know you think youre trying to help poeple in need, but the only thing we require is the one thing your not offering - ie; to be left in peace.

    PS - telling us were all going to Hell probably isn't doing you or your cause any favours!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    WARNING, WARNING BIBLE BASHER ALERT!!!!!

    Who cares in what bible bashing ways you have. I dont believe that there is a god, but then you will more than likely say that I have not had the correct guidence and dont even bother saying it as I lead a normal healthy life.

    People take drugs because they want to take them, they dont have to take them if they dont want to, no one is forcing them!!!!
    can you not enjoy life and all its wonders without doin heroin or ecstasy or anything like that ?

    Yes we can, but drugs puts it in a different perspective that makes it even more interesting!! You should try it, looks like you need it!!!
    Is it that you wish to rebel against those which make you feel insecure ?

    If your classified as being the norm then hell yeah I will rebel against it. You bible bashing speak is just toooooooo scary!!!!
    Do you lack faith and guidance ?

    Already, answered that one!! God aint real. You say its lack of faith that has done this. How can that be when you believe in someone that is not real???? To me you seem to be the one with the real problem, that has lost grasp on reality!!!!
    Can you justify such a shamless waste of the precious years you have ?

    Hmmmmmmmmm, I am doing excellent at uni, got a very loving girlfriend. Get on great with my mum and big bro and have also got great mates. Have experienced lots of things that I will cherrish forever, but you class it as a waste!!!! Go and explain what a precious life is????? Maybe going to the church to bash some bibles eveyday, do explain?!?!?!?!?
    why don't you try similar methods in your fight with evil ?

    LOL, shut up!!!!!!

    Your annoying, so please hush!!!!! <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by star_spangled_banner:
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    Rubbish, thats easy to say now, but ask yourself again at 48, when your grandchildren are starting to grow up, when your starting to look forward to retiring and spending your savings <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> Its all to easy now to say that, 50 / 70 whats the difference, its all old, well it'll be here sharpish and you will give anything for that extra 20 years when it comes around. You people talk some crap. Ask yourself at the birth of your first child, when you've lost your job because of clinical depression and you can no longer provide, wheter it was worth it ? when your up in court, attaining a criminal record, stopping you ever finding decent employment, or from traveling abroad - the laws may be wrong, but you have to face the consequencs regardless <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    I know all about the legal consequences, so I take pains not to get caught... its fairly easy as long as you're always careful. And the fact is I would rather die 20 years younger and have lived my life to the fullest. What I do now, and have been for the last year, has been so amazing, I wouldn't change it for anything... I fully expect to carry on for a few years, hard to say how many, get a degree, a well paid job, settle down, and still live my full amount of years.

    I'm not too worryed about clinical depression... I've suffered from it before and its only in the last 8 months that I've gotton over it. I now know the danger signs of a relapse, and I have my ways of getting round it.

    Anyway, surely God has it all planned out, and what happens happens. There's no point in trying to change it: if god has planned for me a short life, then thats whats gonna happen. I'd rather die having fun. <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think you have to distinguish between us and the addicts you find commiting petty crimes to pay for their habit. They have a problem, an addiction, where as drugs for us are only a small part of having a good time.

    I can go out and not drink or do drugs and have a wicked night out but drugs like ecstasy bring people together and until you've tried it you'll wont understand.

    You have to understand that we are nopt irresponsible or stupid, we realise both the short term and long term risks but we ahve a different outlook on life than you. I am living my life as for the moment, cos tommorrow I could be hit by a bus.

    Each to their own. <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I fundamentally agree with Star_Sp, If you can find peace with god or whatever then good for you, you have no need for drugs. I say this because I have a friend who had a bad trip on weed - he then quit,found god, and now hes totally a better person than before, A great role model. I on the otherhand havnt found such peace and balance, and find it impossible to, therefore I smoke weed everyday (and I love it!). But in the end drugs are just a non-constructive, self-centred way to have fun, and DONT have any positive long lasting effects, all negative.
    Apart from the expensive cash cost of drugs, they cost you your memory, missing healthly activities and sports, a bad image, fallout with friends and family, irritability, risk or being caught - bad trip, mental problems when your older, ect ect. altogether drugs are a pretty damn expensive habit.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My god i had you all there <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> hook line and sinker <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> well done kaz she had me worked out to easily <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Well i'm off
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cheeky Bastard <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Funny thing was, when I first saw this post I suspected you but then cos you sounded quite genuine I thought nah.

    Oi, at least pay a visit to tis site every now and again, even if you don't post a lot.

    Later... <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was well and truly confuzzled there. I was fine until he said, "Rubbish", and then I thought, "Why the hell is an American saying rubbish? That's THE most un-American expression ever".

    Ow... brain hurts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This post was pretty good, I'm amused... made me think that I need to start visiting and commenting more in the 'drugs' forum like I used to... bring back the days of me, lolly and skive... hahahah! <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Very good <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
    I was a lil' suspicous it might not be totally genuine, due to him been a christian from texas who spoke perfect UK english <IMG SRC="wink.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Actually, he reminded me of goerge bush...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Justin Credible:
    <STRONG>This post was pretty good, I'm amused... made me think that I need to start visiting and commenting more in the 'drugs' forum like I used to... bring back the days of me, lolly and skive... hahahah! <IMG SRC="tongue.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"></STRONG>

    I tottaly agree but lolly's gone <IMG SRC="frown.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> and theres more clued up people on here nowadays. Before there was a lot of people asking for advice but now it almost seems as if there's too many people knowing what they're goin on about.

    I know it's a good thing that more and more people are getting clued up but it was nice to be able to help people or have a heated discussion against the likes of Master Devilish, heh! <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Heh heh! I rule!! Actually as soon as I'd posted that, eb, I wished I hadn't cos I knew everyone would enjoy what you were doing! The Texas thing was waaaay too obvious!

    Wasn't anyone else really impressed that I used a parable to counter argue??!! I used to be a sunday school teacher & youth leader, dontcha know! No one knows both sides of the argument more than me <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    Originally posted by 'Skive:
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    Before there was a lot of people asking for advice but now it almost seems as if there's too many people knowing what they're goin on about.
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    Hey Skive, I have many questions, if you can be bothered to hear them... am relatively new to this thing, and am a willing apprentice, as I've said before <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon">

    I have been working up to posting more in Drugs, just feel I'm a bit old to be the dorky novice at my age *is embarrassed*
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    am relatively new to this thing, and am a willing apprentice, as I've said before <IMG SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> I'm a bit old to be the dorky novice at my age *is embarrassed*

    Don't be Kaz, your not old and who cares what your experiences so far are... just ask away, I'm going to start posting here more often I think...
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