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Pacifism
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Is this really an achievable belief? Is it possible for the whole world to reach some sort of pacifist agreement or is the concept just to unachievable in todays society?
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it can never be achieved.... you will never get 6 billion people to agree on anything, and as long as you cant agree there are going to be some who will resort to violence to ensure there beliefs are followed
you don't need everyone to agree...there's loads of stuff me and my neighbours don't agree with it...still doesn't mean i drive a car with a bomb in it into their house...we need to change the mindset of people...education is the key...that we're all humans and we should all respect everyone's privacy and life
trouble with that is that even though all the above are done there's always oging to be criminally insane people who murder or kill because they see it as normal...and humans are generally violent by nature so fuck that for a game of darts...
no its fine for a group of people to be pacifists. they will probably have a much more enjoyable life than others.... maybe.... but since you asked about the planet as a whole..... no, no chance
Well there is a chance... just a very small one.
The $26 648m in exports by the world's 9 leading arms exporting countries in 2003, make it extremely unlikely.........
thats true...i have a lot of faith in the human mind...every day it continues to amaze me and it's maturing all the time for me...i believe we can do a load of soul searching within our minds to find the true pleasures in life...relying on materials and old books for this comfort just leads to conflict and betrayel imo...
Perhaps when we realise en masse how useless agreement is, and how beneficial it is to have everyone having different beliefs we might make a go of it.
Civilisation depends on everyone doing different things.
I also believe in people, as daft as it sounds. That's my faith.
As a concept though, it is laudable - but then idealism usually is.
But there's no escaping the fact that history is against having faith in the human mind and also against pacifism. I'm thinking particularly of that old stalwart of forum arguments everywhere...fascism.
Here's a quote I rather like (actually it's a letter written during the Spanish Civil War by Nan and George Green, a couple of working-class Londoners who went to Spain to put a stop to a bunch of people who fly in the face of pacifists everywhere - George was killed 5 weeks later)...:
"My dear mother
... I would like to say as clearly as possible why we came to Spain --
and by we I mean not only Nan and myself but all the volunteers of the
International Brigades.
1. We came to war because we love peace and hate war.
2. Fascism, which is the maker of wars today, and which is threatening
everybody's home and everybody's safety, this same fascism can he
decisively beaten in Spain and if it is beaten in Spain then it is beaten
forever as a world force.
3. We are not pacifists because we believe that the pacifist line is a
direct encouragement to the war makers . . .For us, we shall be glad when it's all over. My idea of a good time is not
being shot at but is connected with growing lettuce and spring onions and
drinking beer in a country pub and playing quartets with friends and having
my children about me to educate me and keep me human. And we're most of us
like that out here.
Mother dear, we're not militarists, nor adventurers nor professional
soldiers: but a few days ago on the hills the other side of the Ebro, I've
seen a few unemployed lads from the Clyde, and frightened clerks from
Willesden stand up (without fortified positions) against an artillery
barrage that professional soldiers could not stand up to. And they did it
because to hold the line here and now means that we can prevent this battle
being fought again later on Hampstead Heath or the hills of Derbyshire ...
All our love George and Nan".
That sort of makes both sides of the case for faith in the human mind, but is pretty firmly against practical pacifism.
Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato
Besides, war has given us many things which probably would not have been discovered for years otherwise.
Yes. And grass is green. You don't change anything by accepting the way it is though.
You might as well say "people have always died of cancer, let's not look for a cure".
Yeah, why is that do you think?
Yep. Defence is fine, offence isn't.
But when do you know which is which? We declared war on Nazi Germany.
I would expect you, as a doctor, to know something about how AIDs is decimating humanity...........
If poverty was reduced, the birth rate would fall - sadly the money is spent on yet more arms to kill with, which are then flogged to countries that can't afford, often in the name of aid.
:grump:
That's not pacifism.
famine has wiped out milliopns in the last few years.
ovbesity heart disease cancers and aids are wiping out millions more ...a pandemic flu is expected anytime soon and so on.
for those who have little faith in the human mind ...you can only have less in the technology that mind produces.
those who believe war somehow betters our lives need removing from the planet ...mars anyone?
decimating humanity?? you need to look up that definition. when you look at the world as a whole, all 6 BILLION of us, its nothing more than a cold
Is that right doctor?
If you look at Africa, it might strike as you somewhat more severe than a migraine.......
And you sidestepped the point about how resources are used on yet more deadly weapons, even though we already have enought o destroy the planet several times over, whilst people are starving to death and many are dying from lack of access to clean water.
Yes the UK did, after Hitler's Germany was already well underway in pursuing war of aggression against other sovereign states. That is a far cry from launching "pre-emptive" attack on a nation (or nations as the case may be) which are not attacking anyone outside their borders. "Pre-emptive" is nothing more than newspeak PR for the very evil the UK declared war on Germany to curtail.
The same holds true for my own country. Remember, the US did not enter the war until Germany first decalred war against us. That is quite clearly the difference between fighting a war of "defence" versus the quite criminally "offensive" (aka War of Aggression) use of our western military infrastructures to advance the globalist hegemonic agenda financing our government from that time to the present.
However the attempt to dress it up with new PR slogans and rhetoric, the principle behind it all remains nothing more than a will to empire. By any other name it still smells as rank.
Yes, but pacifism is against all military action, be it offensive or defensive. Plenty of people in the UK in 1939 demonstrated in the streets for arbitration with Hitler rather than war.
Except for the Shaolin monks (I think they started out in India actually) who can kill you with a slightly dirty look...