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  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    But we would die before we got there, currently. And for a lnog time yet in the future.

    TBH, we're doomed!

    Colonies on Mars? Bullshit, tbh. Mars is a dead planet. Colonies, but not proper thingsl ike cities in Total Recall, that planet needs sustinance from Earth for any life. Research facilities nad hte like will be there IF ANYTHING.

    But we don't have that technology yet. And if a man were to go to Mars, the only guys with enough experience are Russian. So it would be the US sending a Russian to mars.

    A new chance for Humanity to unite as one? I hope so!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL, hawking a twat huh? arguably the smartest man to ever live. but believe what you will.

    there will be colonies on mars, the moon, io, ganamede.

    and we have discovered planets WITH certainty, lots of them. and alot closer than you think, alpha centari has planets, 2 that they have detected, and from the distance from the star to the planet and the size of the planet they have determined that one COULD be earth like ( i think in their terms that just means it has liquid water ). They have determined this by watching the oscililation of the stars ( meaning the gravitational tug of war between star and planet. just imagine spinning in a circle by yourself, you would spin in a complete circle, but now face someone hold hands and start spinning while trying to pull the other person towards you. )
    colonies are one thing ...a thriving human population is another matter .
    and no we have no certainty whatsoever that these are actual planets.
    if it is so easy to establish human colonies on such hostile places as the moon ...how come all attempts at trying out these glass bubble environments here on planet earth with every condition perfect including easy access and supply lines ...with abundant air and water and nutrition ...always end up in failure?
    here we are living on an amazing self sustaining planet ...crops and creatures in abundance that just keep on replicating themselves ...oceans and breathable air ...enough resources to provide for eight planets ...but we are wrecking it ...to the point where poeple like you are seriously putting your hopes in a few men going to live on barren dead boulders wandering around the sun as some kind of saviour?
    only a tenth of this planets population have access to all this wonderful technology that is killing the other nine tenths ...yet somehow ...you have some kind of faith ...like a blind religous faith that ignores the realities ...a faith blinded by material science and movies?
    your faith is obviously very strong ...but the evidence is ...that your religion is ignoring the death dealing facts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL, hawking a twat huh? arguably the smartest man to ever live.

    inteligent and educated ...but bitter and trapped in material science ...ignoring the facts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    goodnight!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    But we would die before we got there, currently. And for a lnog time yet in the future.

    TBH, we're doomed!

    Colonies on Mars? Bullshit, tbh. Mars is a dead planet. Colonies, but not proper thingsl ike cities in Total Recall, that planet needs sustinance from Earth for any life. Research facilities nad hte like will be there IF ANYTHING.

    But we don't have that technology yet. And if a man were to go to Mars, the only guys with enough experience are Russian. So it would be the US sending a Russian to mars.

    A new chance for Humanity to unite as one? I hope so!


    lolo wrong again, mars isnt dead.... it has water... frozen water, but water none the less, that is all you need for a self sustaining colony. they can get all the oxygen they need to breathe from the water and use the hydrogen for fuel
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    So, what do they eat again?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    actually i was just re-reading my book by stephen hawking, and according to him, einstien's relativity theory doesnt hold up in some areas, which means the whole thing is flawed

    Yes.

    It fails at the "atomic" level. Gravitation is too weak below a certain size to have any effect. On the other hand it's been postulated that there is an upper threshold to it as well.

    It's easier if you think of everything as having "material" existence, but that there is only one substance. The difference in properties then becomes it's relative nature due to it's frequency, tone and pitch. (Instead of protons and neutrons etc.)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    So, what do they eat again?

    Read Mars by Ben Bova, and Moonrise. Fantastic books which are built on scientific knowledge and realism.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    So, what do they eat again?


    ever here of hydroponics?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    lolo wrong again, mars isnt dead.... it has water... frozen water, but water none the less, that is all you need for a self sustaining colony. they can get all the oxygen they need to breathe from the water and use the hydrogen for fuel
    a few humans could indeed survive there ...for a while.
    surviving and living are slightly different though.
    every glass bubble biosphere experiment here on this planet of abundance ...has failed yet your believing they will succeed on a barren boulder in space ...your faith is strong.
    this religion of yours is as bad as all the others that men cling to.
    it blinds.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    a few humans could indeed survive there ...for a while.
    surviving and living are slightly different though.
    every glass bubble biosphere experiment here on this planet of abundance ...has failed yet your believing they will succeed on a barren boulder in space ...your faith is strong.
    this religion of yours is as bad as all the others that men cling to.
    it blinds.


    then we as a species are extinct, the reason it will work is there will be no choice, yes it will be terribly hard for the first few generations, but will get easier as the new generations are born.

    in the 10000's years that humans have been around we have only had the technology to destroy ourselves for the past 50 years, i will be very surprised if in fact we make it 100 years more.WMD's are here to stay, we might get rid of the bomb, but it will just be replaced by new and even deadlier devices, most probably biological/chemical, the fat mans out of the bottle and we arent going to be able to put him away.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    then we as a species are extinct, the reason it will work is there will be no choice, yes it will be terribly hard for the first few generations, but will get easier as the new generations are born.

    in the 10000's years that humans have been around we have only had the technology to destroy ourselves for the past 50 years, i will be very surprised if in fact we make it 100 years more.WMD's are here to stay, we might get rid of the bomb, but it will just be replaced by new and even deadlier devices, most probably biological/chemical, the fat mans out of the bottle and we arent going to be able to put him away.
    i have to say i find your religous beliefs to be quite disturbing!
    ten humans live in a bubble on mars ...and you somehow see life eventualy getting easier for them! having children and prospering.
    you see the wonderful world we already inhabit as doomed and therefore disposable.
    we can't succeed and thrive on a planet of plenty ...but eventualy we'll be just fine on a rock with zilch.
    comic book religion seems worse than the robe wearing fish hat cross lot and thats saying something.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    fine, but people that believe that mankind is inherently good and benevolent are seriously deluding themselves. We are a violent and argumentative race and THAT will be our downfall unless all our eggs arent in one basket
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    fine, but people that believe that mankind is inherently good and benevolent are seriously deluding themselves. We are a violent and argumentative race and THAT will be our downfall unless all our eggs arent in one basket
    theres one thing you can say about mankind ...
    theres nothing kind about man.
    yet still you hope somehow that putting these creatures under the enormous stress of being removed from their natural habitat ...crammed into a small bubble ...having gone from a land of ease and plenty ... they will survive and thrive and be happy ever after.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im sure that there is some other form of life out there but i really doubt that they have visted earth. It would be cool if they had, maybe they left us a present like dogs. I do hope that they are all little green men with funny heads.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    theres one thing you can say about mankind ...
    theres nothing kind about man.
    yet still you hope somehow that putting these creatures under the enormous stress of being removed from their natural habitat ...crammed into a small bubble ...having gone from a land of ease and plenty ... they will survive and thrive and be happy ever after.


    and you hope that man will be able to just live in peace forever.

    you think im delusional, and i think your delusional, lets just agree to disagree on this one
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    and you hope that man will be able to just live in peace forever.

    you think im delusional, and i think your delusional, lets just agree to disagree on this one
    WHAT I THINK IS WE BOTH AGREE THAT MAN IS A SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS ANIMAL.
    OPPS CAPS ...
    but also a social animal.
    if we spent our money wisely ...everyone could be fat and jolly but no ...we have to waste everything.
    it will be even worse in some cramped bubble where we even have to worry about manufacturing an atmosphere and mainting it etc.
    it is mans thinking that has to be changed ...not his habitat.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    WHAT I THINK IS WE BOTH AGREE THAT MAN IS A SERIOUSLY DANGEROUS ANIMAL.
    OPPS CAPS ...
    but also a social animal.
    if we spent our money wisely ...everyone could be fat and jolly but no ...we have to waste everything.
    it will be even worse in some cramped bubble where we even have to worry about manufacturing an atmosphere and mainting it etc.
    it is mans thinking that has to be changed ...not his habitat.[/QUOTE

    but saying that you can change the way the human species is as a whole is like thinking you can teach sharks to be pets.. sure you probably could, but eventually one would bite you, exceot in our circumstances it would only take " one bite " ( WMD, nuclear, chemical, biological..etc )
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    sorry just getting tired of just the 2 of us batting this one back and forth, need fresh blood
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    welcome to your new martian home!

    mars8vr.jpg
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    walmars7sg.jpg
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    welcome to your new martian home!

    mars8vr.jpg


    looks just like arizona, morroco, eygpt and numerous other places that have populations in the millions
  • Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Stalin's Organist Posts: 13,327
    Haha!

    Man works best in smaller groups, where they tend to be more sociable. The Mars colony would have to work something like a Hippy Commune. But then the US Governemnt would bulldoze it for being evil, those darn hippies! You see, with an indefinite time period ahead of us (How long will mankind last? We don't know!), we should work together for the greater good. However, some people couldn't give a shit about the next generation (See: Rich Kid), and so would rather exploit now, and let the next generation pay for it when our planet dies. "Oh Well, i'll be dead by then! Haha!". Hmm.

    Put a large amount of men together though, and one or two will start to think of exploiting the rest to gain more. And so it starts again. A small colony on Mars would work, until the problem of reproduction and inbreding becomes to great.

    Damn, Humanity really is doomed, isn't it?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i give up. have to explain to much. too many small minded people that cant think that in the next 100 years or so that technology just might change. you are basing all you ideas on the fact that we " cant do it now, with the technology we have, so we wont be able to do it then either "
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i give up. have to explain to much. too many small minded people that cant think that in the next 100 years or so that technology just might change. you are basing all you ideas on the fact that we " cant do it now, with the technology we have, so we wont be able to do it then either "
    it aint economicaly possible.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i give up. have to explain to much. too many small minded people that cant think "
    arrogant twat!
    a different point of view from yours is simple minded?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mars is resource rich, in water, iron and oxygen.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    minimi38 wrote:
    Mars is resource rich, in water, iron and oxygen.
    not in oxygen but that could be manufactured.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    icon14.gif very interesting, ta
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