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Terrorist gets a pathetic 13 years.
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Even the most deluded far left terrorist sympathiser surely finds this sentence pathetic? I strongly dislike the way America is treating its terrorist suspects (either try them and execute them or let them go) but I think this is beyond a joke.
Shoebomb plotter gets 13 years
Shoebomb plotter Saajid Badat has been sentenced to 13 years in jail for planning to blow up a passenger plane.
The 25-year-old, of St James Street, Gloucester, was sentenced after conspiring with fellow Briton Richard Reid and a Tunisian man.
He pleaded guilty in February to the plot to blow up the transatlantic flight on its way to the US in 2001.
The judge at the Old Bailey said Badat could have been jailed for 50 years if he had not withdrawn from the plot.
Successful prosecution
The case is the first successful major terrorism prosecution in the UK since the 11 September attacks on the US.
The court was told that Badat had an identical device to the one that Reid tried to use on a flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001.
He had bought a ticket to fly from Manchester to Amsterdam on 17 December 2001, and then on to the United States. But he did not take the flight.
Police said Belgian telephone cards were used by both Reid and Badat to contact Nizar Trabelsi, a Tunisian who is now in jail in Belgium.
Trabelsi, a former professional football player, admitted planning to drive a carbomb into the canteen of a Belgian air base where US nuclear weapons are believed to be stored.
But an e-mail from Badat to his family on 14 December 2001 indicated he intended to withdraw from the plot.
Unlike Reid - who was jailed for life in the US after he attempted to detonate his device on a flight from Paris to Miami - the court was told how Badat could not face being a "courier of death".
He dismantled his shoebomb, which was specially designed to evade airport security, and rejected terrorism.
Judge Adrian Fulford said Badat had been a part of a "wicked and inhumane" plot, but believed he had had a "genuine change of heart".
"Turning away from crime in circumstances such as these constitutes a powerful mitigating factor," the judge added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4474307.stm
Shoebomb plotter gets 13 years
Shoebomb plotter Saajid Badat has been sentenced to 13 years in jail for planning to blow up a passenger plane.
The 25-year-old, of St James Street, Gloucester, was sentenced after conspiring with fellow Briton Richard Reid and a Tunisian man.
He pleaded guilty in February to the plot to blow up the transatlantic flight on its way to the US in 2001.
The judge at the Old Bailey said Badat could have been jailed for 50 years if he had not withdrawn from the plot.
Successful prosecution
The case is the first successful major terrorism prosecution in the UK since the 11 September attacks on the US.
The court was told that Badat had an identical device to the one that Reid tried to use on a flight from Paris to Miami in December 2001.
He had bought a ticket to fly from Manchester to Amsterdam on 17 December 2001, and then on to the United States. But he did not take the flight.
Police said Belgian telephone cards were used by both Reid and Badat to contact Nizar Trabelsi, a Tunisian who is now in jail in Belgium.
Trabelsi, a former professional football player, admitted planning to drive a carbomb into the canteen of a Belgian air base where US nuclear weapons are believed to be stored.
But an e-mail from Badat to his family on 14 December 2001 indicated he intended to withdraw from the plot.
Unlike Reid - who was jailed for life in the US after he attempted to detonate his device on a flight from Paris to Miami - the court was told how Badat could not face being a "courier of death".
He dismantled his shoebomb, which was specially designed to evade airport security, and rejected terrorism.
Judge Adrian Fulford said Badat had been a part of a "wicked and inhumane" plot, but believed he had had a "genuine change of heart".
"Turning away from crime in circumstances such as these constitutes a powerful mitigating factor," the judge added.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4474307.stm
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Two reasons -
1) Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation. He's already jacked the terrorism in so why lock him up?
2) For any other crime you have to actually go through with it for it to be one. What we have in this case is akin to a bank robber who plans a raid but bottles it. Or perhaps you should get a car parking fine every time you think about leaving the car on double yellows, whether you do or not.
No crime - no time.
To quote Sideshow Bob - "They don't give Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry!"
Trying to piss me off ? Thanks for the laugh.
attempted fraud
intent to commit a criminal offence etc
In this case, if he had taken the shoe, armed it and then driven to the airport and got stopped getting on the plane then that would have been attempted terrorism. He didn't "attempt" anything he just talked about it with someone and when it came time to go through with it he bottled it.
The most he is guilty of is having a potential explosive in his house. Along with everyone else who has some fertilizer sugar etc.
This is just another example of the growing acceptance of a paradigm of authoritarian control being ingrained in the public consciousness through repeated fearmongering and uncritical media compliance, for easily exploitable air-time profit, with the renewed fascist status quo.
As people sheepishly accept these so called "Anti-terror" laws and inflated myths of terrorists behind every lamppost, the police state aparatus grows increasingly entrenched until one day, all the smug little "it can't happen here" and "my government would never do anything to harm its own citizens" types wake up to the same reality their counterparts in 1930's Germany faced.
This time round, however, the fascists have begun the resurgence in the mecca of PR imaging and hyper military technology, so don't expect any Yankee Doodle heros to help liberate Europea second time, theyre too busy solidifying the deals in favour of tyranny and increased arbitrary criminalisation.
Typical mamby-pamby British sentencing. When are the judiciary going to wake up and get into the 21st century and realise theres a war on?
Funny, for one who claims to distrust anything Blair says or adheres to, you sure seem all too willing to swallow this archetypal lie hook line and sinker.
If My Aunt Had Balls She’d Be My Uncle.
They are going to put him in prison for thirteen years to teach him a lesson he learned all on his own already.
The actions of fuckwits, frankly.
We must be ever vigilant and install high levels of security and introduce laws to protect us. Our society will, and has changed but that is the acceptable price we must pay.
This sounds like an intro to a crap cop show or the equalizer or something.
How does removing western values to fight a threat preserve those western values exactly? How do we get them back if "the war" is won?
anything who said?
That may be true, but what crime did this man commit? He choce not to go through with it...
You've used that expression before and was asked to explain what these values are, and what you mean by "democratic wauy of life". Can you do so now please?
Such as?
What precisely is the "acceptable" price? How much freedom are you wiolling to forego inorder to protect "freedom"?
We were lucky, lets make sure he's away for a long time to contemplate the evil of his ways so he doesn't get a second chance.
Our whole way of life in this country and the institutions that enable it to function.
The "acceptable price" is anything that defeats the terrorists. I would be prepared to go to any lengths to ensure we win.
Nope, lost me. never heard of that person. Male or female?
Have you kept up with the news and this thread. He's already got 13 years, so what do you mean by "Let's make sure he's away for a long time"?
And...er... he doesnt't want a second chance and he didn't actually want his first either.
Such as?
So, for example, you would be prepared to spend the rest of your life in prison, if it meant that the "terrorists" were beaten?
What kind of worthless snivelling excuse for a human would not be willing to spend the rest of their lives in prison if it prevented the deaths of thousands - possibly millions of innocent people from violent deaths because of a few evil terrorists?
Excellent, please hand yourself in at the nearest police station.
Nice reframe. Consider it stolen - >yoink<
£27500 x 25 = £687500
before inflation is taken into account.
but i still have criminal thoughts.
i notice certain movements of money and convince myself that if i wished ...i could quite easily intercept that money.
some securicor systems are inviting me.
some of the easiest and largest ammounts of cash criminaly available are supermarkets and securicor ...i'll go no further with the details but thats how MY mind works.
being ex and completely reformed and now a respectable member of society doesn't stop me thinking about these things though.
should i go to jail for thinking about it but deciding not to act on those thoughts?
They might if you were sitting in a car with a shotgun and a baclava on your head.
i don't think any man could have a reasonable defence in that situation.
Ok - here goes -
I wouldn't be guilty if i wasn't in the country at the time, right?
And you base your allegations on facts?
What, factually is a country?
Always argue jurisdiction. Always.
i do worry about you ending up in hmp strangeworld klint with your deceptions of reality.
Now you are getting it, Mr. Roll.
Btw, as an alternative to continual drugs I can definitely advocate hypnosis. You only have to do each drug once and then go all trancey to get the "high" again. Even better, no side effects.
Thanks for the concern.
The only "forces" out to "destroy OUR democratic way of life" are those in power doing precisely that by shredding civil liberties, introducing hefty surveillance states and indeed turning mere suspicion into punishable crime. The Nazis did no less!
How soon the lessons of history are erased from the mind of a smug and self-satisfied populace to serve the political aspirations of elite powermongers and elite corporate interests of a rapidly expanding security industry (to say nothing of the longrunning traditional military industrial complex and intelligence services).
Of course RK would be cheering for it, as he and his silver spoon lifestyle depend on the suppression of an increasingly (and when the oil really becomes scarce in several decades, "overwhelmingly") disenfranchised public. Of course he would blatantly defend the real criminals currently in power since they are all of the same cloth. Born Slippy's reasons one can only guess at.
The wheel of history has come around full cycle and here we are on the threshhold of the Fourth Reich (read: New American Century, Pax Americana, New World Order, et al.) and just as with the last, any who dare oppose it are labelled "conspiracy theorists", "terrorists", or any other moniker deemed appropriate for the moment.
In the end though, the scoffers will be silenced and shamed as they have been at the downfall of every previous grasp for power and control over liberty and accountability.
I agree with everything you've just said.
This 'terrorist threat' is being absurdly exaggerated to instill fear of the public in order to justify ever more serious breaches of civil liberties and human rights - such as Jack Straw's decision to allow the use of 'evidence' obtained through torture. And, yes, I dearly hope to see "Blackburn: IND GAIN" on the TV in the early hours of 6 May.
What sort of democracy does Rich Kid think he is defending?
The Madrid bombings, and the September 11th attacks have obviously slipped your memory.