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Crime, is it coming or going?
BillieTheBot
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As you may know a raft of crime figures came out yesterday painting an odd picture of crime in the UK.
Overall recorded crime fell again, same as (I think) every year Labour has been in power.
However, recorded violent crime has gone up by 9%, but the British Crime Survey says that its gone down.
Thoughts?
Overall recorded crime fell again, same as (I think) every year Labour has been in power.
However, recorded violent crime has gone up by 9%, but the British Crime Survey says that its gone down.
Thoughts?
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seeker
Facinating. As always Seeker you get to the heart of the matter and making it boring.
Violent crime has gone up- that's not good. Any type of crime that goes up is bad. However, the overal crime has gone down, and that is the most important thing.
Naturally those with agendas see fit to pick and choose whichever statistics suit them...
Fact
Opinion
seeker
A question I'd like to raise is the issue of reporting crime. For example if you're a retailer, shoplifting costs the UK consumer in excess of £1.8 Billion per year, (thats based on 2000-01 from the BRC), so current figures are probably much higher. It is a major criminal activity and often has strong links with drugs.
Yet shoplifting, or retail crime in general, isn't on the Police radar!
The government don't include it in their community crime reduction plans nor do local councils, so this whole area of crime becomes "invisible".
Retailers are so fed up waiting for the police to arrive to arrest a shoplifter they often let them go, & Blunkett has made it a non-criminal offence for thefts under £200. What about the druggie who hits 5 shops for £150?
Most of the £1.8 Billion per year stolen from shops ends up in drug dealers pockets, yet the actual crime that produced the money in the first place isn't even recognised as such!
So if this crime is "massaged away", I am dubious about the so-called crime reduction figures overall.
Strangely though the government thinks the British Crime Survey is more accurate, and gives a better picture of crime because it also allows for non reporting.
Plus I heard on Radio 4 that in 60% of cases which are recorded as violent there is no actual injury.
Perhaps if we removed drug dealers by legally supplying addicts then this wouldnt happen.
What about the actual solving of crimes reported? Our rates in this country are abysmal, again it fuels peoples fear that theres little point in reporting crime because they never get solved.
Our Police have been reduced to office workers and social workers cowered by the PC-driven agenda.
Would forced entry into a house be considered violent crime? Or smash-and-grab vehicle crime?
What does that even mean?
For example, TAXATION ,or is that UNofficial?
seeker
http://www.rense.com/general64/tre.htm
You certainly know how to pick convincing sources don't you?
It is from the Telegraph, which although its right leaning is normally fairly decent.
If its from The Telegraph, I'm sure he can find it on The Telegraph's website, not some lunatic conspiracy theory site.
Given that he can be a little slow about sources.
Oh that makes it right then does it?
According to the National Crime Recording Standards (NCRS), detection rates for all recorded crime for 2003-04 were only 23.5%, the same as the previous year.
Doesn't strike me as being very effective, the odds are stacked in favour of the criminal getting away with it.
So out of 1,400,000 recorded crimes that year, (how many went un-recorded I wonder?), 1,071,000 were not detected, ie the criminals got away scot-free.
No wonder crime is rising, the criminals know when thet're on to a good thing.
Also what I find interesting is what the Police count as "detected crime"
- charging or issuing a summons to an offender
- issuing a caution, reprimand or final warning to an offender
- having the offence accepted for consideration in court
- counting an offence "cleared up" but taking no further action if
offender, victim or essential witness is dead or ill
victim refuses to give evidence
offender is under age
Police or CPS decide that no purpose would be served by prosecution
time limit of 6 months for coming to prosecution has been exceeded
So plenty of ways of massaging the figures. I'd guess if you eliminated the above and included the to-date non-recorded crimes, the detection rate would probably struggle to make double digits.
I don't blame the Police, I lay the blame firmly at Labours door for making the Police's job much harder by all the bureauracy they've introduced.
Now we're being told by some the government is hiding the "true figures"... Mmm...
All bollocks according to Polly Toynbee
Some extracts:
So as with many other things, cynical and disgusting manipulation by newspapers with an agenda with push are making people see things far worse than they are actually are. But what's new? They've been doing the same fucking thing with everything else (NHS anyone? :rolleyes: )
Did I say that? What it does mean however, is that you're barking up the wrong tree. Instead of blaming Labour, how about expanding the terms of the debate a little bit?
What is more worrying for most people is that there are more Police but they're catching fewer criminals
The overall detection rate is disgraceful, and its truly amazing that the number of detections per Police officer is a mere 10 per year.
Why I wonder? Anything to do with Labours obsession with form-filling & red tape?
Source? (he says with no hope at all)
And compared to what? It could have been 1 a year when the Tories were in, none of us know!
Read the NCRS.
I presume you have read them, I've just gone through the 'violence' one http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/countviolence04.pdf
and it seems rather reasonable to me, one crime recorded for each victim.
And yes, more serious crimes do over ride lower ones, as in the I break into your house and kill you is one crime of murder. But this, would actually make the statistics look worse, the level of murders and serious offenses compared to lower ones would be higher.