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Firstly, it wasn't a "schnide comment" - and secondly, there isn't much to debate.
As for being "holier-than-thou", I have no idea where that came from. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else...
You're arguing technicalities which i'm not disputing, some of which are irrelevent to the original topic.
Basic points are - you know as do i that addiction is largely the consequence of personal/social problems. Treating cocaine with respect and a bit of caution, and you won't become dependent. How many users snort it throughout the day, every day? A small minority. When I talk about limited scope, that's what I mean...
There's a tendency to malign coke as something particularly nasty and best avoided (which it certainly can be) whilst affording E a level of acceptance...which imho is undeserved. E offers potential for mis-use on levels which cocaine doesn't - and vice-versa. I wasn't suggesting they are similar, comparative drugs.
I'd agree with most of that apart from 'small minority' of dependant coke users, its a little more than that.
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Do you know any sources with an estimation of dependent coke users? Not including crack that is.
This is taken from a NetDoctor report but is quoting ONS stats, which i am currently in the process of picking through the ONS site to verify, but on the face of it this aint exactly a 'small minority'.
Oh and by the way do you have any stats to back up your original claim of a 'small minority?
"There are currently an estimated 475,000 powder cocaine addicts in Britain, and a further 200,000 who take crack cocaine."
The source is confusing users with addicts.
Nothing to hand. But I recall statistics that around 40% of heroin users were dependent...taking into consideration demographs etc...considerably less than 40% of powder coke users are addicts would be my logical estimation...i would say a fairly small-ish minority at least.
that is completely turned on its head when you consider that there are far more cocaine users in the Uk than those of heroin.
also yes i thought that might be the case as the ONS only holds separate estimates on powder use rather than addiction breakdowns.
Though given I havent been around people who use it in many years I cant say I'm up-to-date with the scene at the moment.
Doesnt mean they arent addicted though.
Not really, I was talking percentages.
yes but then heroin and powder cocaine is a meaningless comparison isnt it?
depends really...i can call heroin a scumbag junkie tramp wanker of a gypsy drug and coke as a social cool calm non-judgemental drug...but at the same time i can call them class A's...fyucked up innit...
Where as coke can be binged every day of the week.
that you get addicted to heroin quicker than coke...as in physical addiction like
well it mightn't give you a full indication but you can sorta make a firm conclusion when comparing...
Depends on the context.
Which bears little, if any, relevence to what's being discussed.
You're trying to create contention from nothing - so we may as well call it quits before screeds of pseudo-intellectual irrelevence push this thread past the 6 page mark.
if you are making a comparative statement i am putting the contrary view, as for pseudo-intellectual; bollocks theres absolutely nothing complicated here.
Look, you've lost the plot. There is nothing to debate. End of.
This thread was started a while ago so, Ginga... you may have gone ahead and tried coke by now... but I'm gonna throw my tuppence worth in anyway!
For a start - everbody gets affected slightly differently with all drugs. If you're 6 foot 5 and a great hulk of a guy, you're gonna react differently to a line than if you're 5 foot 4, and a tad on the slender side!
So don't go thinking you know what to expect. You never do.
Plus - who are you getting it from? You may get some from a mythical 'good- guy' dealer, who's not in it for the profit and gives you pure stuff... in which case... hold on to your hat!
Likelihood is you'll get hardly any coke, and the rest of the wrap will be full of foul smelling, foul tasting chemicals that do nothing for you other than make your nose itch for three days and put you in a bad mood the next day. (Warn your girlfriend to steer clear of you if you have one!)
Also - it depends what you're doing. Just like with booze. If you're out clubbing or if you're sitting by the Thames feeding the swans... you're gonna get a different experience.
Whatever.... I agree with Martin. It's easy to start, and f***ing hard to stop.
Good luck.
It's only a probelm to stop using it if you use it too much.
If you use it I agree there is a risk of developing a dependance - maybe more of a risk than ecstasy - but it can and is used quite sensibly by most people.
Sort of, in that you can not get physically addicted to cocaine, but if you blasted a lot of rocks for a couple of weeks you could easily get a habit, where as it takes a while to produce a full blown physical addiction to heroin.
Iv been there done that lol,
The come down is horrible, it makes u feel so depresed i remember wen i layed in bed cryin didnt know wat t do, u forget about the important things in life cocains your main piority so be careful dont take so much cause thats wen u can get addicted.
And i dont quite understand how can u crave somthing u have never had?
well anyway gd luck with it
Yeah... valid point SweetPie. How can you crave something you've never tried? That's an odd one!
So are you still craving it after all this heated debate on your behalf, Ginge? Have you been put off - or do you want it more?
One thing I notice is that, despite 15 years of heavy drug abuse, and finally getting off everything after my body was about to go into total meltdown... when I see people taking coke in films, or puffing, or anything... I really want it again. My mouth waters and I start grinding my teeth in anticipation.
I wonder if this may be part of what is making you want it? In film it all looks soooo glamorous and soooo cool, and the people taking it are always dead good-looking and sharp. But that is soooooooooo not reality!! Believe me!