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The REAL threat to the NHS

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
Over the past few months we have heard from many an "anti-immigration" viewpoint that these poor people are a threat to the NHS.

However, one thing consistently gets over looked.

Currently there are approx 59.2m people in the UK, of which 16% are over 65. There is evidence which shows that this segment of the population uses more of the NHS than any other age group.

By 2031 it is projected that the population of the UK will have increased to 65.7m people. Of this 23% will be over 65. And increase of 6m people.

What problems can you see this causing, and can you think of a solution?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a top heavy demography. Old people are very expensive to the NHS and don't pay as many taxes. The government is taking on a pro natal approach to encourage people to have children at an earlier age. Unfortunatly (for the government), most women want to have a career fist and babies second! But surely by saturating the employement market with cheap immigrated workers we are risking unemployement for native Brits? After all why give one person a job at a good wage, when you can exploit a foreigner? It's not right, but doesn't mean it doesn't happen!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    YOu see? I have been saying it, the demographic balance in Europe is failing. This will lead to the collapse of state funded welfare systems across the continent, including the NHS.

    THe solution is simple: Privitise the NHS, get people to pay for their own healthcare and not other peoples. Its the only way to avoid disaster.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    YOu see? I have been saying it, the demographic balance in Europe is failing. This will lead to the collapse of state funded welfare systems across the continent, including the NHS.

    THe solution is simple: Privitise the NHS, get people to pay for their own healthcare and not other peoples. Its the only way to avoid disaster.


    Not everyone can afford to pay for treatment, thats why the NHS was started in the first place. As far as i know we are the only country in the world to have a national health service, we should treasure it not trash it!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What an have the shambolic state of affairs America has, where the poor get VERY BASIC healthcare. You cant afford medical insurance - you dont get medical care - simple as. The NHS is not perfect but should never be privatised - "free at the point of contact" - long may it last!!!! I don't have the answer to the ageing population but if meaning the sick get sicker then it is not the right answer.....
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tough medecine is needed. Some would be left without health care but that is a small price to pay to avoid the disaster of a national health service completly paralyzed.
    thats why the NHS was started in the first place. As far as i know we are the only country in the world to have a national health service, we should treasure it not trash it!

    No thanks, I like my hospitals clean and my operations uncancelled.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tough medecine is needed. Some would be left without health care but that is a small price to pay to avoid the disaster of a national health service completly paralyzed.



    No thanks, I like my hospitals clean and my operations uncancelled.


    Mmmmmm strange since it is PRIVATE contractors that clean the hospitals.........
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Then you fire those contractors and get new ones. Its hardly like the state would do a better job.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    YOu see? I have been saying it, the demographic balance in Europe is failing. This will lead to the collapse of state funded welfare systems across the continent, including the NHS.

    THe solution is simple: Privitise the NHS, get people to pay for their own healthcare and not other peoples. Its the only way to avoid disaster.

    Yes and let old people with pensions die off, and the poor who can't afford private healthcare die too.

    I would love it if it was privitised and you couldn't afford any healthcare. :mad:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You are not a supporter of the Tories are you? Just that your views seem similar to their policies. Apologies if you are not.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Tories are cowards who wouldnt dare privitise the NHS.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Tories are cowards who wouldnt dare privitise the NHS.

    Well at least they would do something right......
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its hardly like the state would do a better job.

    Funny, because the golden age of cleanliness which most complainers refer to, was when the NHS did it themselves...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Funny, because the golden age of cleanliness which most complainers refer to, was when the NHS did it themselves...

    Exactly!!!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The REAL threat to the NHS:

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Once again Matadore misses some fundamental points.

    Firstly, those without an income (at the time they need treatment) will get a poor standard of care. Ditto those with low income. This means that they will become chronic cases, and preventative medicine will not be available.

    Secondly, no insurance company will want to touch "risk" groups. Therefore over 65s and those in deprived areas will either face huge premiums, or will get poor care standards.

    Ultimately it will be the Govt who pays for their minimal care. Effectively taking us back to where we are now, with the added change that a means test will be required before treatment can start.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
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    You have no idea how loathed by his local NHS he is.

    If he makes one more unsubstantiated claim about poor care in this area...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gotta love the Welsh/Hungarian vampire.

    It's long past time that money spent on the NHS can never be considered "wasted". Anything that makes people more comfortable, heals them or even improves their general quality of life has to be a good thing all around. Financially the NHS only contributes, because if nothing else, demand for resources creates supply.

    How to provide it's resources?

    Have family liability for healthcare, or allow groups to fund for themselves. Allow group insurance schemes on a voulntary basis. Allow minimal profits to be made for healthcare related products, by using the NHS's monopsony position like Asda and Tesco do.

    Reduce paperwork by just paying doctors etc what they would earn minus tax rather than putting them through the tax system. And so on.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or jsut privitise the NHS, immediately freeing up countless billions so that people can pay their own way.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Alternatively tax the rich like they deserve to be taxed, and provide excellent healthcare for all.

    The rich should be the first ones interested in their slaves- sorry, workers- being in a good state of health so they can work harder for them, should they not?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or jsut privitise the NHS, immediately freeing up countless billions so that people can pay their own way.

    This benefits the rich and is bad for the poor. In America there are nearly 40 million people without medical insurance (according to this article). With roughly 300,000,000 people in America, that means 2 in 15 people do not have medical insurance, and thus cannot receive adequete health care. If you don't find this a scary prospect, then god help you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What problems can you see this causing, and can you think of a solution?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or jsut privitise the NHS, immediately freeing up countless billions so that people can pay their own way.

    Assuming you ignore anything anyone ever says.

    Again, what about the people who can't pay?

    ETA :lol: @ Moonrat. Run runner...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Or jsut privitise the NHS, immediately freeing up countless billions so that people can pay their own way.

    What about the people who can’t afford it the American system which you would probably advocate have tremendous problems. In 2002 43.6 million people within the US could not afford health care which is 1/5 of the population a big percentage

    Some things should not be run for profit a health service is one of them...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Going back to the original question... why are people aged over 65 the biggest users of NHS services? Perhaps the solution is prevention. Better health education from a young age to promote healthier lifestyles might help cut down on the number of people developing diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    Going back to the original question... why are people aged over 65 the biggest users of NHS services? Perhaps the solution is prevention. Better health education from a young age to promote healthier lifestyles might help cut down on the number of people developing diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.


    The government realise that but are acting very slowly. Health promotion and prevention from an early age is getting through but slowly and sporadically.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    . Some would be left without health care but that is a small price to pay

    you really are a dangerous unstable character aren't you?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    Going back to the original question... why are people aged over 65 the biggest users of NHS services? Perhaps the solution is prevention. Better health education from a young age to promote healthier lifestyles might help cut down on the number of people developing diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases.

    i think our fast food luxury life culture will be our downfall..we are healthier, are more knowledeble and have the technology to treat victims better but what good is it when we go home and stuff our faces with fatty foods and sit on the internet like slobs, like who would do that :chin: :angel: :razz:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Panthro wrote:
    The government realise that but are acting very slowly. Health promotion and prevention from an early age is getting through but slowly and sporadically.

    I don't think they are acting slowly though, I think people are slow to realise that health promotions aren't just in place to nag them etc.

    Recently the govt. launched a health initiative (I can't remember what it was, which probably illustrates my point!) that was slated by the media and the general public as being 'nanny state' ish. They can't win really. They're accused of being a 'nanny state' when they launch these awareness campaigns and then slated for not doing enough!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    I don't think they are acting slowly though, I think people are slow to realise that health promotions aren't just in place to nag them etc.

    Recently the govt. launched a health initiative (I can't remember what it was, which probably illustrates my point!) that was slated by the media and the general public as being 'nanny state' ish. They can't win really. They're accused of being a 'nanny state' when they launch these awareness campaigns and then slated for not doing enough!

    Is that why it takes a celebrity chef to highlight the shite that kids are fed in school - oh what was announced today, yes millions into increasing the quality of school meals.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Panthro wrote:
    Is that why it takes a celebrity chef to highlight the shite that kids are fed in school - oh what was announced today, yes millions into increasing the quality of school meals.

    I can't decide whether this point is agreeing or disagreeing with what I said, but it must be aimed at me since you quoted me. Can you clarify?
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