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Privacy fears over NHS database

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nope.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know where some of you have got this idea from that the system is not going to be new. The system, or at least part of it, is totally new. A set of databases for each trust replace existing (probably paper based) records. If a current GP happens to have records on a computer, then that's irrelevant. (Well, irrelevant to the system being new at any rate, probably not to security).

    Mind you, the IT programme is split amongst vendors and trusts, so no doubt different areas may well implement it differently.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    You are not an insider. You are a guy I have never met

    The two are not mutually exclusive, dopey.

    BTW Have a look at my other comments relating to the NHS and you might get the impression that I have inside knowledge.
    who has insulted me

    Says the "man" who insults us all with most of his posts.
    Ever heard of Administrator access?

    Yep.

    Ever heard of the ability to read? It's what makes it possible for me to look at paper based notes. BTW You are what we would refer to as NFT.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Nope.

    But you have broken laws.

    You may not agree with them, you may not recognise them, but you have broken them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I haven't read the last page cos I got bored of the sniping, so sorry if I'm repeating someone else.

    I know my records in my home surgery are kept on a computer, as are the ones that my GP at uni keeps. I also know there's been some communication between the two but as far as I'm concerned I have been told whenever any information has been released outside the surgery that holds it (and even if this is not true I do trust the people I see and those who run the surgeries enough to believe that it is only released when necessary and not to all and sundry).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In order to verify that you are an insider, I would have to know you. I do not know you, so you cannot be considered by me to be an insider. Pretty simple really.

    If I have insulted you, that means I haven't been insulted? This is the sort of terrible logic that means I disregard what you write.

    In order to be a criminal, the law has to be broken. In order for the law to be broken, it has to exist. It doesn't, so I haven't.

    A more obvious way is to state that until I am proven guilty, I am innocent. As I have never been convicted, I am not a criminal. And many more arguments you won't accept for whatever reason.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The law doesn't exist, does it not?

    Must be why Ian Huntley's moved in next door.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The fact that people act as though it's there only proves that they think it's there.

    Just like a priest waving his hand over a communion wafer or purple clad cultists offing themselves because Halle Berry is appearing in the night sky, you cannot deduce the existence of something from the actions of the mad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    In order to verify that you are an insider, I would have to know you. I do not know you, so you cannot be considered by me to be an insider. Pretty simple really.

    So, would you dispute that Tony Blair is an insider in the Labout Party/Govt?
    If I have insulted you, that means I haven't been insulted? This is the sort of terrible logic that means I disregard what you write.

    Hey, you applied that logic to my comment, not me.

    I was just using the Pot/Kettle analogy.
    In order to be a criminal, the law has to be broken. In order for the law to be broken, it has to exist. It doesn't, so I haven't.

    I'm pretty sure that in a straw poll you would find that theymajority believe that laws exist. Just because you don't recognise them doesn't mean that they aren't there.
    A more obvious way is to state that until I am proven guilty, I am innocent. As I have never been convicted, I am not a criminal.

    Not being convicted doesn't mean that you aren't a criminal, it just means that you haven't been convicted in a court of law.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Okay.

    If a pot calls a kettle black, what colour is the kettle and what colour is the pot? It's this sort of dodgy logic that makes me disregard what you say.

    They are both black, "dopey."

    And my whole point is that the beliefs of the majority are not facts any more than the beliefs of a wacky minority. They just have the force to make you follow them.

    I can recognise them all day long and they still won't exist.

    Lol.

    Tony Blair is an insider in the Labour party/govt? Sure, why not. I don't believe him either, and he has a lot more credibility than a semi-anonymous poster on the internet.

    Try having a read of some Lysander Spooner and see what you think.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Though I'm ignoring klintocks posts now (nothing personal, you just speak a load of gibberish) laws exist because the majority have decided on them. They are not tangiable, but they are there. If 10 people have a cookie, and 9 of them say "The law is that if anyone touches this cookie, we'll beat them up", but the other one pretends it isn't there, he's still going to get beat up :/. And hopefully you will be held accountable for your crimes, and can learn to live a productive life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Klintock

    Language only works if we all use the same words for the same meaning. If I point at and say 'There is a blue car' its only going to cause confusion if I'm pointing at what everyone else calls a 'red light'.

    You don't seem to use language in the same way as everyone else and insist that we proove to you that the general meaning of what we say is valid otherwise you're going to keep calling it something else.

    Sophistry is actually the weakest form of arguing, because it relies on the other person being stupid enough to accept false reasoning. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working in your case - I suggest you may want to try another approach.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Piccolo - how is is that you are registered with two GPs? When a patient registers elsewhere all medical records are sent to the new GP. I'm intrigued.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    Okay.

    If a pot calls a kettle black, what colour is the kettle and what colour is the pot? It's this sort of dodgy logic that makes me disregard what you say.

    They are both black, "dopey."

    .

    Erm, clearly everyone knows this, as that is the entire point of the analogy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    BumbleBee wrote:
    Piccolo - how is is that you are registered with two GPs? When a patient registers elsewhere all medical records are sent to the new GP. I'm intrigued.
    Something to do with being a student... For some reason my home practise said they'd keep me on file so I could go back if I wanted to discuss anything to do with the more long-term health problems I'd been having but they'd rather I see the health centre at uni for prescriptions and things.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Erm, clearly everyone knows this, as that is the entire point of the analogy."

    Yeah, but I have only ever seen it used as a defence of the "pot."
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    "Erm, clearly everyone knows this, as that is the entire point of the analogy."

    Yeah, but I have only ever seen it used as a defence of the "pot."

    Seriously, get help. Soon.

    [ignore]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Tricky.....define "help" :lol:

    Thanks for the concern MoK, shame you never answer my points.

    Bye :wave:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    "Erm, clearly everyone knows this, as that is the entire point of the analogy."

    Yeah, but I have only ever seen it used as a defence of the "pot."


    Hmm, I think that your understanding of it differs to mine then.

    Still, no matter. Your understanding of a lot of things seems to differ to mine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Klintock is what happens when you give sixth-formers with limited intelligence access to Adam Smith.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That was much easier than answering any of the things I have raised, wasn't it.

    lol.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Explaining the theory of relativity in swahili is easier than answering any of the points you raise. Were you dropped on your head as a bady altering your thought processes so they make sense only in some weird tangential universe?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What things that you've raised.

    You have so far claimed that laws and countries do not exist, when they quite clearly do. There's no point in arguing that black is black against someone that is claiming the opposite, because its a waste of time.

    People who are convinced that white is black (as you seemingly do) will not accept that their view of the world is distorted in the extreme.

    Everyone else agrees that countries and laws exist. You have raised no argument to illustrate anything other, and if you are going to go against the general world view then you have to come up with a better argument than "it's all pretend!!!".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Everyone else agrees that countries and laws exist. You have raised no argument to illustrate anything other, and if you are going to go against the general world view then you have to come up with a better argument than "it's all pretend!!!"."

    Easy.

    What facts are you basing your opinions on?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    You have so far claimed that laws and countries do not exist, when they quite clearly do. There's no point in arguing that black is black against someone that is claiming the opposite, because its a waste of time.

    The difficulty here is that you have a person who doesn't understand what he is arguing against. An understanding of human history and the history of english law would actually answer many of the questions being raised.

    However, it looks like one concept is being viewed in isolation which gives a very slanted view of reality.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am arguing that there is no against to be arguing about.
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