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Mental health and E's and Cannabis
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right ive read loads of stuff now what cannabis can do if someone already has problems i wont go on because there is enough topics on that! but what r the consequences if someone has problems and still proceeds to take E's??? forget the fact that person maybe ignorant or daft yes i know that but what problems can occur? can schizoprenia occur with hittin this drug and when i say hitting this drug i mean lyk having 1 or 2 pills when they go nightclubbin lyk once a fortnight. im aware maybe depression might get out of control (somebody help me out on that 1 im guessing) what other things could happen?
any answers would be greatful!
thanks u lot!! :thumb:
any answers would be greatful!
thanks u lot!! :thumb:
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Search google or erowid.
i was sectioned under mental health act s.3 recently i felt this was because i was being punished for smoking weed.. but really it was cos i was being a wanker and being defiant ' i would smoke weed again yes i would'... but i took a few pills the other week and hadnt felt that good in years since i last dropped. go for it,.
alex
whats the worst that can hppen when you get pilled up tho really? u mite dehydrate which is serious or worse drink too much water, but osmo regulation never gave me any troubles.. you're so sensually aware that if you want to drink water you will simple as!
Anything psychoactive is a potential risk to mental health in those who are predisposed to illness, if you have relatives that exhibit or you yourself exhibit such symptoms think very carefully before you take any of these.
If you are then to be honest it would be very unwise not to be worried about your E use, with your mental health history and that of your relative you really are walking a dodgy path if you are using them, you may not be worried but frankley you should be.
Cannabis can and does exaccerbate mental health symptoms in particular types of depressive illness and schiezophrenia, i really dont recommend it with your history.
If i were you i would steer well clear to be frank.
there is a far greater risk posed to someone with your history from regular E use than from cannabis on present evidence...
and i sincerely hope you are right and nothing bad does happen to you...but if you carry one like this and disregard the advice given to you the outlook is not rosy....please at least see your GP (who will treat everything in the strictest confidence) and get his opinion...
The issue with ecstacy is that in simple terms it encourages your brain to release serotonin, a chemical that helps to make you feel good. This chemical is always present in your brain, but after you have taken e it becomes depleted. This is part of the reason you feel so bad as you are coming down off ecstacy. Serotonin then takes some time to build up to your 'normal' levels again, leaving you vulnerable to negative feelings if you are prone to depression.
This is a very simplistic explaination, there is more information in the MDMA Vaults from the Erowid website. I would recommend you read the book E is for Ecstacy by Nicholas Saunders, particularly chapters 4 (What it does and how it works) and 6 (Dangers) to find out more. The whole book is available online at the link I just posted.
You are in a higher risk group for drug taking if you have a history of mental illness in your family of have depression - take care!
about as wrong and innaccurate as wrong and inaccurate can be, not to mention reckless irresponsible and harmful
:chin: do you know where 'the person' ...resides within the body?
the persons ...'mentality' ...doesn't reside in the gastric juices.
and you maintain this view in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary?
Wheres your evidence? This is rubbish, the relative consensus at the moment is that it exaccerbates a whole host of mental health problems.
this is a gross, dangerous and deeply flawed assessment of a very complex set of issues involving very different substances.
Pan_Chan_Boo i dont say this likely but the majority of that post is baseless bollocks that flys in the face of most popular thinking and simplistic in the extreme. You are making claims you cannot possibly substantiate
cannabis also can be very therapuetic in alcoholism and addiction problems as well as a whole hostr of other complaints and ailments ...where the previous advice is wrong though ...is the attitude of pay your money and take yer chance ...and it might all work out ok ...then again it might not.
oh no i know that, believe me i've spent the past week reading about it after seeing a documentary with Shulgin, and i didnt actually dispute that in my post i was only specifically taking issue with the cannabis issue.
Ecstasy does have potential applications in the Psychotherepeutic treatment of post traumatic stress in particular as a strong empathic that is very good at the physical act of supressing anxious reaction to trauma
cannabis in the treatment of alcohol and heroin addiction is much more hotly contested in particular with regard to the implications for the already fragile mental state of some users. The case for its formal medical application in this area is not as convincing (yet) as for, say, pain relief in some areas.
Erm, its not really as simple as that, the 'comedown' isnt really understood and there isnt all that much clear research to suggest that seritonin does come back and if it doesnt whether that leads to depression.
Oh, and though that book by Saunders is good for some things I would look at it as just another source. I would not take it as 100% fact, his chemistry knowledge isnt perfect, I found at least a couple or errors in it.
You are right though, using such strong drugs as MDMA when you have pre-existing mental health issues is unwise.
thats not a reason at all, you cant deny providing evidence because its not an wholly indisputable, we weigh up the available data and make comment on balance of evidence and logical conclusion.
i am not disputing the medical evidence that i cannabis (and similar synthetic compounds) do have potential medical applications, but your evidence quote from the last post is quite different from the above one. It has been SUGGESTED in studies (god we are really dangerously simplifying things here) not conclusively proved, and as you say there is contradictory evidence in, for example, treatment of depressive illness.
To be honest the debate we are having here is to broad anyway, the only we we are really going to get anywhere is to (as rolly did) present each application of each substance as an individual debate.
Really? Is that why I wrote 'this is a very simplistic explaination' perhaps? And provided references for further reading? If you could explain it better I would appreciate you doing so, I am sure we would all find it useful to refer to.
Prozac can really help some people, others hate it.
which is exactley why i took issue with your first post, but even then we can only make decisions based upon the information we have at present. what you are doing there is acknowledging contestation and variation in research, and then basically calling everything rubbish because none of it is 100% conclusive. this isnt very helpful given that at any one time the very nature of variation implies more validity in some areas than others.
I am not disputing the assertion that in your case that cannabis may have had benefits for you in the time you have been using it, but equally it is very hard to prove that your improvement is soley the result of cannabis use. People's depressive states do fluctuate and its not always the introduction of a chemical is the primary factor.
Not being funny but, while we all know its true, constantly going on about how its a scandal that alcohol is legal and marijuana isnt doesnt really get us anywhere or add anything to the debate on applications of marijuana in this case.
Thats fair, I was being overtly picky, you were presenting the rough basis for the action of MDMA and I was attempting to play the smart arse.
I'm big enough to say I was, perhaps, this time, slightly wrong.
"I was, perhaps, this time, slightly wrong"
im putting this in BIG LETTERS.....coz im a cunt
Thanks Bong, & I apologise for being so snarky, I wasn't in the best of moods this morning, as you could probably tell.
Alcohol isn't psychedelic - it doesn't fuck you up mentally. Comparisons between weed and booze can't really be made on that level...
Alcohol and weed are polar opposites...and that goes for the associated problems which come with both.
And what's football got do with this?
oh come on, someone of his age and supposed extreme maturity can take it...
He's knows im only yanking his plank
Booze and weed are polar opposites, as are the associated problems with both to some extent. You can't really make a comparison.
And what's football got to do with this lol
I told you not to mention that here.
I'd say an addiction to alcohol would probably have a negative impact upon your mental health.