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Alexander Shulgin lecture in TCD Dublin Friday 11th
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The godfather of MDMA and other assorted goodies is doing an open lecture at 6.00pm in Trinity college Dublin tommorow.
Just found out about this..wouldn't mind going down, plus theres a few parties about in Dublin after.
If only i'd have known before tonight.
Just found out about this..wouldn't mind going down, plus theres a few parties about in Dublin after.
If only i'd have known before tonight.
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wat the fuck...where's these parties...who is he???
its a very readable (so im told) account of the uses and properties of therepeutic and potentially therepeutic pharmaceuticals such as MDMA...
im sure bong will tell you all about it...at great length..whenever he reads this
ahhhh i know him well....bla starting to get a hangover not liking it at all...
Its not often he travels these days, he is getting on a bit in age.
apparantly their books contain recepies for making LSD etc - they confirmed this....... must buy a copy.
he spoke about how he got started on drugs - by a friend who gave him some mescalin. he confirmed that he did not invent MDMA - but he did document it's effects etc for the first time - offically anyway. he said his favourite drug is 2CB? never heard of it. any know what it is? he said if this stuff doesn't blow your mind, then try 2CI - the same drug but works on different parts of mind. he was saying that he knows of no long term effects of prolonged MDMA use - but couldnt vouch for Ecstacy as it's impossible to say what the hell is in most tabs. he did warn, howver, that the " magic" of MDMA, when you first start using it, wears off - as most people know ( e.g. people needing 6/10 tabs a night after having done E a few times) - and he said that this magic cannot be retrieved once it is gone - i.e. once you build up the tolerance to MDMA - you do not loose this tolerance at a fast enough rate for it to disappear in a lifetime. bit of a shame - so all you first timers, enjoy it. it is officially the best one you will take ( as long as the quality is good of course).
he answered questions then - a few stupid questions on how can he condone drug use? - but the people asking seemed to be talking about heroin etc, whilst he was talking about pyschoactive drugs - LSD etc. one girl got upset near the end - harping on about friends who had ruined themselves with drugs - well it wasn't his fault you boot.
2C-i is very chemically similar to 2CB but is supposed to be rougher on the body and longer lasting, it has an iodine atom attached rather than a bromine.
I would despute with him about MDMA's harm and I am surpised he was that definate, there is some evidence suggesting it does harm. Its an unclear picture.
yeah been meaning to ask you about this...none of the doctors or academics on this course im on have heard of him...how respected is this guy?
He's obviously stupidly intelligent and very sharp, I know someone who has interviewed him.
As to his role in drug research, hmm, thats less clear, he never does animal tests and only really does subjective experience type tests with people he knows. So how much he knows about the possible harm is up for debate.
I wouldnt want to challenge him in person, but I wouldnt be happy saying that MDMA wont cause harm.
i can't imagine MDMA not causing harm with regular use - someone asked the couple if it doesn't cause harm , why do so many people who use it, feel awful the next day. he said he never felt bad after using MDMA, and then his wife explained that people who feel bad after MDMA use, feel this way because their "base" level, of happiness i suppose, is messed up so when they come down, the go lower than normal and feel like shit.
after listening to him, no one could question his expertise anyway - he is published in his field and well known by american authorities. one of the smartest people i have heard speak publicly in a long time - (a priest i knew once being smarter....)
i reckon someone will make a film about him - probably after his death. even the quick stories he told the room were fascinating and you could tell that if he had time, he could have gone into them a bit more. ......he spoke about one time himself and his wife were on something - he didn't say what - and they were sat watching a clock in the kitchen. they had some sort of communal buzz going and both saw the clock's second hand slowing down and grinding to a near halt. they both said they knew they were near death - as they knew that if the hand on the clock stopped, so would their hearts - so they had to work their way out of it and eventually some sort of veil came down over the clock and they were safe!!!!! now that sounds fucking weird. i'd love to see that in a film. the wife said that this facing of death and the conquering of it - was a highly spiritual experience and develops the mind in a way it couldn't when sober.
they both strongly recommmend the use of babysitters when doing strong drugs, and they would like to see the legalisation of drugs. they had plenty to say on these matters, and made some vey good points - eventually gettting to the area of therapeutic drug use - his wife stated that MDMA is an incredible tool for hepling people mentally, when administered and monitored correctly. i'm sure plenty of people would think they are just two junkies, strung out from the 60's and still partying, long after the party is over - but they know what they are talking about and seem to be very happy people - so maybe they have something worth listening to. i'm gonna buy the book anyway - if only for the recepies.......
all in all a very interesting talk , and plenty of food for thought there.
2CB sounds good - how is it taken?
Yes he does give all the details, but you REALLY have to know what you are doing and have a well stocked lab to come anywhere close.
Interesting books though.
He's supposed not to really use his lab anymore, given that virtually everything is illegal, but no-one is really sure.
He was raided a while back and the police didnt know what half the stuff was, realised it could be really dangerous and gave it all back.
you do not lose this tolerance to MDMA at a fast enough rate for it to disappear in a lifetime
so everyone's who's currently on their 12th bean of the night, STOP DOING IT! if you want a decent buzz stop caining them like they are going out of fashion.
Either that or you have completely fucked your nerve endings.
i think thats true...i mean even if i do loads of pills it's like you are fucked but it's not the same life prfounding new experience...you do't get the ultimate super insights and total understanding...just a bit of a buzz really...
Most people don't care what's in them.
used to be if you bought an E, you wanted the effects of E and anything else was a dissapointment)...now you buy 'pills' you buy 'A drug' and you're only dissappointed if they are duds or make you feel bad...
I watched the video today with the Alexander Shulgin and his wife talking about the clock slowing down, and Alexander chickening out before the clock stopped totally. I am curious if any of you have a more in depth interview with this as what I watched was just an excerpt. Or some article about this. Does someone know what drug they used?