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The form that she needs.
So, are you suggesting that its okay to move from mental health to criminalising behaviour that needs support?
Do you honestly think ASBOs are a suitable response?
I really *am* trying to understand where you are coming from on this.
Errr...she's attempted suicide lots of times. That would suggest she is suffering from depression.
Section 2: MHA
The grounds for the Application, as stated in the Act, are that the person:
is suffering from mental disorder of a nature or degree which warrants the detention of the patient in a hospital for assessment (or for assessment followed by medical treatment) for at least a limited period; and
he ought to be so detained in the interests of his own health or safety or with a view to the protection of other persons.
http://www.hyperguide.co.uk/mha/s2.htm
Then she needs to assessed to find out.
ETA: And it isn't my suggestion she should have 24/7 community support - a relationship of the sort I described can be developed with regular support for a few hours every week.
(aside)It struck me as really odd that she was still allowed to drive her car, but not to go into multi-level car parks.
Well, then it should be debated in Parliament - and there should be a democratic process.
The dangers of ASBOs is that they will criminalise behaviour without any kind of democratic scrutiny.
Do you think a bill to criminalise suicidal behaviour would get through parliament?
Anyone who deliberatly self harms is not in a good mental state, are they?
I'd have thought her life was more important than minor annoyances to the public.
Compared to someone's life it is.
Well who's is it then? The bogeyman's?
We don't know that she has a personality order. All we know is what is in the article.
I was hoping you'd respond to this:
ETA: word provision for clarification
You don't think that someone who goes to those lengths to get attention isn't in serious distress?
Very unlikely isn't it?
No, but I wouldn't call him a prat either. People don't do that sort of thing unless they are in serious mental distress.
It's about punishment, essentially.
So, take a different story with an apparently disproportionate and unsuitable punishment. Remember that girl who was kidnapped, jumped from the car, was hit by a cab and died? The cabbie failed to stop, and got 200hrs (or something) community service. I remember kermit being fairly rabid about it. However, you had to look for what he was actually being punished for. His punishment was for not stopping, seeing as there was (in all likelyhood) no way he could have missed her, so the collision wasn't his fault, and no way for anyone else to know if she would have lived had he stopped, so he's not even being held responsible for her death, simply failing to stop and report an accident. That's all.
Here, she's not being punished for being depressed or attention seeking, the ASBO is designed to protect the rest of the public. We don't know what help she's getting, or if she's refused it. What is important, no matter how you want to equate trauma and injury to others and her own possible death, is that society has a responsiblity not just to help her, but to protect the majority as well. She's being banned from certain locations, not from any social intervention.
Errr...yes you have. It may not be what you meant, but its what you wrote. Look - "It's about punishment, essentially.". See?
I'd say its a fair bet that she is in some form of mental distress. People don't usually attempt suicide when they feel OK.
Agreed.
Self harm is already grounds.
You want to be a doctor and you don't know what mental distress means? :eek: