Weed the Devil

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Ya, hi im Phil from Canada and I smoke weed.
I see where everyone is trying to go with the whole "Weed is harmless" approach, I used to say that myself, but if you want to hear from experience I'll tell you that weed has the potential to really mess your life up.
First off weed dulls you down. It lowers your motivation, messes up your memory, and just directs you away from things you SHOULD be doing (ie: sports, music, whatever!)
And for anyone who says "Weed isn't a gateway drug" I would say for the most part that is absolute bullshit. 90% of the people I know (including myself) who started smoking weed years ago now have tryed mushrooms,acid, K,
and even coke and shit. The same curiosity which attracted you to blaze up for the first time attracts you to snort up for the first time too.
So my advice to anyone who is thinking of doing drugs is to think twice. ya, weed is fun, but its eazy to turn chronic.

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All alcoholics started off drinking milk, quick ban milk!!!!

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I'm not sure the gateway argument is bollocks, it depends how you look at. For a start had i not tried weed i doubt i would of gone on to try the rest, so the basic fact is it was a gateway drug for myself. However you could also say that if you have a certain personality then you are liable to try drugs whether you take weed first is irrelevant as you'll try them all in some order eventually. It seems to me the reason weed is likely to act as a gateway drug is because it is illegal and therefore trying it takes you through the boundary of legal to illegal. Once you start trying the illegal stuff then off you go. If weed were legal then it would become no more of a gateway drug than alcohol. Its a complex argument and probably one of the main ones to consider in changing weed laws. But if weed was not the gateway drug something else would be thats the most obvious conclusion that most miss, people who get curious will try drugs, simple as that, so to brand the first they try responsible for what they go on to take is a tad stupid. E would become a gateway drug for other illegal substances as it would be the most widely used illegal drug and so on.........

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I warn you mate, coming here and advising people not to do drugs is asking for it. <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">

I for one am a little pissed off with this bollox.

<STRONG> I used to say that myself, but if you want to hear from experience...my advice to anyone who is thinking of doing drugs is to think twice. </STRONG>

It's patronising. Your giving the impression that you obviously know much more than we do and we need to be told what to do and what not to do - the governments approach.

The regulars here are clued up, intelligent and don't abuse their drugs. Were here to have a laugh and offer advice and information to people who ask for it. We generally never tell people to do something or not to do something, we simply give them the info so they can make their own decisions. People generally are not stupid, just gullable. Society believes too much of what the government and media say and it's too quick to follow them instead of asking questions.

We as drug users I believe know better than anyone else. We feel the good and bad effects of these substances. We as users not abusers know what were doing most of the time. I know that what I do has it's dangers but then I know the risk and I've made an educated decision to carry on. Give people the info and the chance to choose for themselves.

Rant over. Phil, I wasn't having a go but it's compulsery (sp?) in this forum to ague back when the type of post you posted is made. <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by 'Skive:
<STRONG>We as users not abusers know what were doing most of the time. </STRONG>

lol, except for at 3 a.m on a sunday morning, its about then we could be doing practically anything <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by eb:
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lol, except for at 3 a.m on a sunday morning, its about then we could be doing practically anything <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

<IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0"> Oh how the memories come flooding back of those moments!

Ok, I thought of a couple of things to say when reading this. Lets hope I remember them... Actually, I'll put one of them in a different thread, cos it kinda pisses me off.

I think that E is much more of a gateway drug than cannabis. The gap between legal and illegal when taking cannabis is, and therefore the gap between taking cannabis and E, is a lot bigger, I think, than the gap between taking E and taking various other class A's. I smoked cannabis for about 3 years before taking E. Within 3 months of taking E I had taken speed, ketamine, shrooms and valium (not class A I know), followed over the next few months by coke and lsd.

Its also not that easy to say those who want to take drugs will, because if you had asked me 2 years ago I would have said I would never have tried anything other than cannabis.

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gateway drug, i still dont think so. I started smoking Cigarettes before i smoked weed as well as a LOT of people that i know. If anything is a gateway drug its alcohol and cigaretts.

oh yeah, I also drank coffee, coca-cola, consumed sugar.... so maybe those are the gateway drugs. People are going to do what they want to do, period. If they have the personality to try new things without worrying about the risks they obviously dont need weed to help them out.

[ 26-01-2002: Message edited by: thaistixx ]

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Sorry to drag this one up again but I just have to add to this because this "gateway" bullshit really gets up my nose. My boyfriend started smoking hash when he was 15. He is now 28 and has NEVER taken any other form of drug.. apart from a few pints. He smokes hash on a regular basis and he's one of the most clued in, sharp and responsible people I know, very laid back but that's cool

My first drug experience was with acid.. not weed and it didn't lead me onto heroin/coke/e's. In fact I hated acid and therefore never took it again.

You are generalising my dear and therefore Philip, from my personal experience, I think your "gateway" theroy is a pile of shit.

Glad I got that off my chest <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 29-01-2002: Message edited by: The Mammy aka Annie ]

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I Agree, just because I enjoy an occasional glass of wine with dinner does not make me a wife-beating alcoholic. Equally, when I was a few years younger than I am now I had about 5 years of abusing most substances that came my way. Now a drink occasionally and don't do any drugs any more.
I neither condem or condon the use of illegal substances, I just think a little bit of maturity and some knowledge of what you ae letting yourself in for is about all you need.

Before anybody rants on I know there are always exceptions to the rule, but I know a lot of addicted tabacco smokers who don't drink or do any other substance. I even can name half a dozen weed smokers who don't drink or even do tabacco. I Guess common sense and knowing your own limts is the key!

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There is something to be said for the "gateway" theory, proximity to any illegal drugs makes getting hold of others easier, and yes, some people are curious. I would never have tried heroin and crack in the circumstances I did if I hadn't been smoking weed.

The real point is this; I did not choose to make heroin and crack a habit because I knew they were both bad shit, I had the access to them, but at the end of the day it was my decision never to do them again.

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Originally posted by Lord of Little:
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The real point is this; I did not choose to make heroin and crack a habit because I knew they were both bad shit, I had the access to them, but at the end of the day it was my decision never to do them again.</STRONG>

But it was also your decision to take them in the first place.

I have access to heroin but there is no way I would ever take it, because it is bad shit.

The "gateway" theory holds true for the minority, yet the majority of cannabis smokers dont do drugs such as heroin or crack, we understand the risks and dont do it.

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ban breathin cos that leads to smoking fags which can lead to sniffiin glue which can lead u to sniffin food to see if its gone bad . i could go on and on and on and on ans on and on zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


quiete pointless acctually. im not stoned
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If weed is a gateway drug, does that mean that half the shadow cabinet is secretly addicted to crack and herion?

When Virginia Bottomley promised harsher legal measures against cannabis users (late 2000) almost all the cabinet (shadow) was against it, and most admitted to using in university.
None of the ladour MP's said much about it at all...I suppose a 100% coffesion rate was a liitle too much to hope for. Maybe they just thought they had more to loose.

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Before anyone jumps on me, my sig is relating to the soft drink... Caffine intollerence can be fun <IMG alt="image" SRC="smile.gif" border="0">

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Originally posted by cokephreak:
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When Virginia Bottomley promised harsher legal measures against cannabis users (late 2000) </STRONG>

Anne widdicombe i think, evil cow