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UK police release Guantanamo four

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    good on them

    i hope the sue someone for all they are worth, they all know nothing will likely ever come of it, but this whole situation stinks worse than what my bowels do when ive got the squits
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Jesus it's about fucking time.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hooray!

    Hopefully this will be another step towards the yanks having to stop using that awful place.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Don't hold your breath. 4 out of the hundreds that continue to languish there without any evidence against them is hardly a dent in the PNAC architects' expanding ambitions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But the official added: "We continue to believe that these individuals pose a significant threat.

    "British authorities have assured us that they will take the necessary steps to address the threat posed by these individuals.

    "I believe the UK did not have the information they needed to charge these individuals."

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    If there was not information, then they should never have been held.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Exactly. Its gonna get worse though
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4207295.stm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, these men and the 5 previously released deserve all the legal aid they can get from this country in order to present the US government with the biggest lawsuit in the history of the world. Fuck those fascist cunts. Bankrupt them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Well, these men and the 5 previously released deserve all the legal aid they can get from this country in order to present the US government with the biggest lawsuit in the history of the world. Fuck those fascist cunts. Bankrupt them.

    Sounds great, but what court is going to try the US?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A US court actually. There is still some independence left, though if Dubya has his way most senior judges will be Republican lovers soon.

    Remember how other Guantanamo inmates have recently won the right to challenge their incarceration on US Courts. I understand the hearings will be happening soon. It'll be very interesting to see what happens...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont see it coming to anything, who knows though, its possible.

    What gets me is they are arrested for non-crimes, even if you catch them standing in the middle of a terrorist training camp, gun in hand, thats not a crime!

    Only if you can prove definatively that they are going to attack the US or UK then you can arrest them.

    Plus of course there is the whole issue of actually the US arresting foreign nationals in a foreign land, something which goes against international law.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its horrific how they have been treated though .
    a man on gmtv was saying they'd been subjected to things like having broom handles shoved up their arses and stuff :eek:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Physical beatings you can heal from, being held in a tiny cell by yourself for 2 years is going to warp you, thats something thats much more damaging.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    US Says released men are still a threat

    What makes them say that if the British services can release them without charge. C.unts. :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    What makes them say that if the British services can release them without charge. C.unts. :mad:

    Because any 'evidence' which they gained in Cuba will not be admissable in court here because its gained under torture.

    So, for all we know they may have admitted all kinds of things there, but it wont stand up in court.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you're put through what those people have been put through you'd admit to being the love-child of Satan and Adolph Hitler sent to Earth to cause pandemonium, if you had to.

    Make no mistake- people in the 23rd Century will still talk about Guantanamo Bay and what it made the US become...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They may all be horrific terrorists (who knows) but by subjecting them to those conditions you are breeding 100 times as many, if not 1000 times as many.

    Its just SO bloody short sighted.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    if you cant charge them with anything provable then let them go, its the law of the land
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo, what makes them say that is simple if you have been following The Power of Nightmares series. This cabal is dedicated to an agenda of neo-colonialist hegemony and resource control which has from the start been sold to the public (through a complicit press and media) in the most fraudulent black & white terms as a magnanimous effort of extending "liberty", "democracy" and the "rule of law" to those who supposedly do not respect these concepts. Nevermind that those perpetrating this admittedly "endless" war have already demonstrated their own disregard for the most fundamental principles of the "rule of law" (let alone any credible notion of "democracy").

    Thus, for them to step up and admit wrongful detention and the innocence of those they cannot, through due process and burden of proof, convict of any real crimes would be to undermine the propaganda and myth upon which their entire agenda is established and pursued.

    Only through the international community coming to its senses, rather than sniffing for a meagre slice of the expected profits, will the increasingly brazen criminality of this administration and its policy-directing "think tanks" finally be called to account, indictment and judgement (not least of which on the basis of the betrayal of nearly every facet of the Nuremberg Principles let alone the Geneva and Vienna Conventions).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont know if you know Clandestine, but there is a long interview with the maker of that show on the BBC site at the moment, you might want to have a read.

    Apparently they have offered it to the 'major US networks' but there was no interest! Surprise.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No surprise once you come to understand that all US press and media is owned by a mere 7-10 conglomerates, each in its own manner profiting from an endless war footing for the nation, which have all but extinguished any concept of true investigative journalism in favour of being "allowed" by this administration to remain part of the inside crowd.

    The Fourth Estate is now the playground of purely elite interest and disinformation in accordance with the systematic strategy of dumbing the nation down into little more than easily manipulated reactionist, hyper-consumeristic cattle.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Here is the link, for those too lazy to look for it;

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4171213.stm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    GLad they are out. Now we just wait and follow them as they run straight into the arms of Osama.

    BAM!

    In go the Delta Force.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well the thing is that you couldn't blame them now if they did, could you?

    So Matadore, in view that the British authorities have concluded there is nothing to suggest the men have broken any laws, how do you feel about British citizens being illegally imprisoned and tortured by a foreign power for three years?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Necessary evil.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So its OK to lock people and torture them because the state feels like it? You'd have been right at home in Stalinist Russia.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Necessary evil.

    I'm sure you wouldn't object if you were taken there and tortured then. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As I had always suspected, Matadore's obsession with his God and Idol the US government is such that he's effectively committing an act of treason on his own country and supporting hostile foreign action against British citizens.

    Absolutely pathetic.

    When are you applying for your Green Card and burning your British passport? Clearly you must be disgusted that the British government won't lock up those who the US dislikes...

    I bet you stand up when you hear the Stars and Stripes on the telly…
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Necessary evil.

    some day there'll be an american crusade against long haired metallers, see how you'll feel then when you're a victim of "necessary evil".

    btw i know there won't i'm just using an analogy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    THese are dangerous people, not normal criminals or even normal terrorists.

    And, like it or not, this is a war we are fighting, similar , if not in nature, than in stakes, to the wars the West fought against Nazi Germany and the Soviets in the 20th century.

    Yes, some methods used may be morally questionable, but when you are fighting a war then you msut make difficult decisions.

    Of course one impotant detachment from the Cold War is that the US will no longer support odious foreign regimes. We dont have the threat of Soviet tyranny forcing our hand to support dictatorships.
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