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With the introduction of Turkey into the EU recently being brought onto the political agenda, I've realised that certain countries claim to be in Europe, which I was sure were in Asia.
For example I've always considered Turkey to be an Asian country.
Israel, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Armenia, have all also claimed to be, or have been placed under the continent of Europe when clearly they are Asian countries.....
Even Russian involvement with Europe is sceptical, with the "sia" of Russia heightening its involvement with Asia and not Europe, as well as it covering almost half of the continent.
I thought the days of colonialism were over, but with Europe on an Eastern mission, it seems I was very wrong.
Is anyone else even midly confused about where the "West" starts and the "East" stops?
Michael
For example I've always considered Turkey to be an Asian country.
Israel, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Armenia, have all also claimed to be, or have been placed under the continent of Europe when clearly they are Asian countries.....
Even Russian involvement with Europe is sceptical, with the "sia" of Russia heightening its involvement with Asia and not Europe, as well as it covering almost half of the continent.
I thought the days of colonialism were over, but with Europe on an Eastern mission, it seems I was very wrong.
Is anyone else even midly confused about where the "West" starts and the "East" stops?
Michael
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Colonialism : A policy by which a nation maintains or extends its control over foreign dependencies.
The EU effectively would be running Turkey as the country holds no real international power and obviously wants to join Western Culture, otherwise it wouldn't have asked to be considered, and so it must agree with the majority EU votes.
Therefore, I think that colonialism is the correct naming of this. However, if you disagree, then maybe instead of scrutinising my use of vocabulary, you should go post something productively.
Michael
Europe does not consist exclusively of the European Union. The issue of whether a country considers itself part of a geographical area has nothing to do with political entities like the EU. France is a country in Europe because it resides on land considered part of the geographical continent known as Europe, not because of it's membership of the EU.
If Turkey joins the EU, which is by no means inevitable it would be an entirely voluntary process. The EU is not a nation and it's members are not dependancies. The UK is not a colony of the EU, nor would Turkey be if it joined.
In your initial post you also mentioned Israel, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Armenia, and yet none of those are members of the EU or are there any discussions on their potential membership so your tenuous labelling of the EU as a colonial power doesn't extend to them either so how is there any colonialism involved with respect to them?
And, as far as I know, most people don't consider Turkey "ready" to be in the EU even if it was in Europe, because the country doesn't yet meet the standards the EU has set for its member countries.
Finally, they say that the USA government is pressing the EU into accepting Turkey, because of their NATO bases there which would mean the USA would have one (more?) country in the EU that they can easily control.
Give it a few generations and Eurasia will become the UBER continent.
Nope.
We'll absorb Russia, Asia e.t.c. then we'll nuke the USA and China and we'll be on top.
You do know part of Turkey is in Europe?
Europe is traditionally seen to stretch as far as the Ural mountains; the two major cities in Russia, Moscow and St Petersburg (formerly Leningrad) are therefore in Europe.
Israel is not a part of political Europe. It terms of sport and culture Israel is European- it is a member of UEFA and Eurovision, for instance- but that has more to do with the rest of the Middle East wanting nothing to do with them than any EU or Israeli agenda.
You are in danger of confusing European membership with membership of UEFA, tbh, with countries such as Georgia and Azerbijan. Though Georgia and Azerbaijan are the right side of the Caspian Sea to be classified as Europe.
Looking at a world atlas would tell you all this.
Nope.
Politics, Sport and Geography. All with different borders.
What do I care?
So long as we beat the Germans!
Personally I've got mixed feelings, I like the Turks, like Islam, but don't like having any kind of integration forced on us against our will.
The scary thing is that you don't seem to acknowledge your racism.
I respect those who are honest about it far more.
Turkey, for the record, is not as Islamic state. As any fule kno.
No mention of race, Turks are the same race as me anyway. Even say I like 'em.
Don't like having integration forced on us against our will - Was that your problem? My reasons are clearly not an antipathy to Turks, it's the 'force' and 'against our will' I'm complaining about. Don't let yourself develop Blagsta's pathological anti-racism, stick to a calm, logical anti-racism like mine.
"Against our will"?
:banghead:
There are reasons why Israel should join, most of Israel’s trade is with EU members for example and it would be difficult for Israel to become closer to it’s closer neighbours. There are too many barriers to EU membership. I can’t see it happening in the foreseeable future. I think there are already some free trade agreements and I think there’s preferential status, it would make more sense to develop those. NATO membership seems more realistic.
There's no reason to think either that the EU won't one day grow beyond Europe's borders or change it's name. But in whose interests? That's the question.
What rules would these be? Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
For any insane reference you provide which prove the EU and other political institutions aren't corrupt, dishonest or 'flexible', I could provide hundreds which show they are. Be sensible.
so whaty would have to be changed to allow turkey entry
I didn't ask for references to corruption within the EU. I asked you what rules would have to be changed to allow Turkey to join.
Answer the question.
Integration is a word often used when discussing the EU. Usually in reference to the new member states, or the implementation of laws in the respective countries.
So, nckdn, what rules are being broken? Turkey is a member of the ECHR, therefore any arguments about their "European"-ness is flawed and irrelevant.
And I notice you ignored this point further up too.
The Treaty on European Union makes respect for fundamental rights and freedoms a condition for membership. They'll have to ignore the abuses that simply WILL continue in Turkey.
And, for the third time, I will point out that Turkey is a signatory to the ECHR.
Using your definition then the UK shouldn't be in Europe because of its human rights abuses either. And that, quite clearly, is rubbish.
Read people's posts more carefully. I haven't defined who should be in the EU, I don't care whether Turkey joins the EU, and I'm not overly concerned that the EU might turn a blind eye to Human Rights abuses when admitting member states, Turkey the UK or any other. Not to say I'm not concerned about Human Rights, just that the EU doesn't have much moral authority for me.
You have REPEATEDLY claimed that Turkey should not be allowed to join the EU under the current membership rules. You HAVE defined who should be in the EU i.e as far as your concerned not Turkey, and you evidently DO care otherwise you wouldn't be posting in this thread.
Are you capable of raising a coherent point without going off on a tangent?