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To summarise then:
Different groups have different IQs
Blacks have low IQs
Low IQ increases the chance of HIV?
is that the link you were making, or have I put things in too clear a manner for you to openly agree with?
Seriously dude, you are fucked up.
Ignorance of how to avoid HIV is the main cause, followed by the age old "it couldn't happen to me" argument. You can also include the witch doctors remedy, which involves virgins. You can include UK Govt policy on drugs, whic means that users share needles. You can blame the Catholic Church's stance, which doesn't help, although I understand their view point. You can blame Tabo Mbeki's moronic comments too.
But you can't insinuate that skin colour is to blame, no matter how lame your link.
I agree with every word of every paragraph in your post, except that I'm messed up or a dude. Good post.
Huh?
You agree that you can't link skin colour and risk from AIDS, but also agree that's what you do?
I agree that you can't. That's the way you phrased it and that's what I agreed with.
I had a few weeks in South Africa and can confirm that HIV/Aids prevention and information is visible on a massive scale. Billboards, TV, radio, schools, employers all constantly ram home the facts, dangers and safe-sex message. But still people risk it. Do you think the brightest people and the dullest people make the same decisions in any area of life?
You don't even know what you write! Amazing! :eek2:
So you do think that black people have low IQ's? Make your mind up.
What are you confused about?* I've been 100% consistent and straightforward about my view on this matter. There is only really one view, because the results of IQ tests are so consistent. As for making my mind up, I've said before I have an open mind about stuff and I've requested you explain how and by whom IQ has been discredited as an indicator of general intelligence. You can't have a go at me for accepting the view of Doctors and Professors working in the field if you won't back up your (prejudiced?) posts.
*Is it that you can't see the difference between agreeing that 'Blacks' score lower IQs, and agreeing that skin colour doesn't cause AIDS?
Cor blimey! An almost rational and reasonable post. Evasive tho' Blagsta 'cos you didn't like to admit you'd misunderstood previous posts and avoid answering why you think you know more than the intelligence specialists I've linked to. I've simply got more faith in the knowledge and honesty of those chaps than I have in yours.
http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/philo/faculty/block/papers/Heritability.html
There's loads more where they came from. Face it nckdn, you believe what you do because you are fundamentally a racist.
The Bell Curve again, nothing to do with me mate! I haven't endorsed TBC on the basis of the Ned Block article you linked to and this one by Thomas Sowell, amongst lots of other just as good debunking. To compare the two, I'd say Sowell is more forensic in identifying the errors Herrnstein and Murray make in their conclusions and the problems with their methods, whereas Block's philosophy training is more to the fore than his psychological experience in this article, and of course he discredits some of TBC's most sited debunkers. Sowell doesn't avoid the difficult questions, he gets straight into 'em, where Block takes an easier option of simply running philosophical rings round Herrnstein and Murray which he does easily. But I'm not terribly interested in TBC.
I really think it's worth remembering that the vast majority of intelligence experts including Sowell (Black) and Block (Jewish) admit a difference between groups on IQ, and a clear heritability. Because most of the research is US based the groups most often used are 'Blacks', 'Whites', and East-Asians and Jews, those groups in ascending order of IQ test results. It's impossible to pin a 'racist' tag on this kind of research. Recognising differences Blagsta just isn't what racism means. You devalue the word and therefore it's meaning when you use it so freely. And you haven't offered anything to discredit the mainstream view that IQ is a very good indicator of intelligence or that groups don't score differently. I don't think you will old boy, it really is pretty much the only credible view.
You have posted about The Bell Curve, all your links purporting to talk about differences in IQ are discredited by anyone with any respectability who works in the field, for the reasons outlined in the links I've posted and yes, you are racist as you think there are implicit genetic differences between races that affect intelligence.
I could post hundreds of links refuting your claims, you still wouldn't believe them because you don't want to. This is exactly why arguing with racist scum like you is pointless.
Now fuck off and find another board to troll.
I haven't posted endorsements of TBC, when you first brought it up I was quite explicit in distancing myself from it and even posted the same link to skepdic.com that you did in this thread(!). If you do have hundreds of links debunking (specifically) a link between IQ and general intelligence I'd really like to see 'em, as long as they're from recognised intelligence specialists working at good uni's. I've asked for'em a few times why not share 'em.
I wish you'd be more specific when you say stuff like "packs of lies". No doubt stuff like that and shouting 'racist' does for some people viewing the exchange, mean you win the debate, but for someone like me who just wants to HAVE the debate, it gets really tiresome.
He's hardly being immature, is he? He's got his view and he can back it up with fact.
I'm going to do what Jacq does sometimes, and just not contribute at all, and just see what other people have to say instead.
thirst you won't know anything about in the fresh on tap world we live in ...sex you might understand.
the reality is ...thirst and sex are the strongest forces within a human ...
BLAGSTA. Your links I agree with, as I've already said. Your doubts about 'The Bell Curve' I share, as I've said since you first brought it up in the BNP thread. I just doubt your claim that you have hundreds of links debunking the orthodox view that IQ is a good predictor of general intelligence or that groups consistently test with the same pattern of differences. This is what we're debating Blagsta, not TBC.
THE DOC. Blagsta isn't backing up his view, he's deliberately blurring the issue to discredit all intelligence research on the basis of what two non-specialists did with that research in the book 'The Bell Curve'. Thomas Sowell again on why we shouldn't deny IQ differences.
Have you read the thread or the sources? Or are you just trying to irritate Blagsta? I fail to see why you're defending someone who has been blatantly racist, and fails, once again, to prove otherwise.
I bow to you Sir...
Would you like to debate a new and interesting subject? Have anything on your mind that requires a new topic?
Fiend_85, have you read the thread or sources? The argument (for once) isn't whether or not I'm racist. It's about IQ and a link to intelligence, and whether different groups score different on IQ tests. Perhaps you can quote from the sources and adjudicate for us?
I'd rather not to be honest. Blagsta can more than hold his own ground, and if by 'different groups' you mean 'blacks' then I'd say this is tied to your racist comments.
http://skepdic.com/iqrace.html
The very fact that you haven't read the links Fiend_85, but suggested Lukesh was silly to comment if he hadn't says little for you. It's also worrying that you (and Blagsta) see this issue as about 'Blacks', and having racist implications. Thomas Sowell and these academics have much to say about double standards over race.
It's good that you don't see it here then isn't it.
Yes it is.
Your sources are biased, and fundamentally flawed in a scientific sense. As has been illustrated so many times, IQ does not measure intelligence, it measures education. And, would you believe it, an education system that is horrifically biased against certain ethnic groups will provide IQ tests that "prove" that those ethnic groups are thick.
lukesh: people who disagree with a "liberal" (whatever that means) viewpoint are not racist, and are not decried as such.
People who say that they are "scared" of Muslims are racist. People who say that black people are stupid are racist.
Geddit?