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I was and am surprised and really shocked when I read, see and hear the way the subject of AIDS is treated in many european countries.
Some time ago I was surfing these message boards and came accross a thread in which a member stated that he had heard of AIDS, and wanted to know if there was a cure etc. I nearly fell of my chair! :eek:
With infection rates rising especially in eastern european countries as well as in western europe, is it not the governments and peoples duty to inform and learn?
Admittedly the AIDS situation is quite different where I come from, and many would react with outrage when they hear that children as young as 6 are tought about AIDS and its causes. We are a radical example, but is ignorance the better solution?
Any thoughts?
A.
Some time ago I was surfing these message boards and came accross a thread in which a member stated that he had heard of AIDS, and wanted to know if there was a cure etc. I nearly fell of my chair! :eek:
With infection rates rising especially in eastern european countries as well as in western europe, is it not the governments and peoples duty to inform and learn?
Admittedly the AIDS situation is quite different where I come from, and many would react with outrage when they hear that children as young as 6 are tought about AIDS and its causes. We are a radical example, but is ignorance the better solution?
Any thoughts?
A.
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How is ignorance a solution at all?
Personally, I've known about AIDS since I was 8, and I learned the ways it can and the ways it cannot be transmitted at 13 -at school. We even had a lesson in biology that explained how the virus works.
Maybe knowing how it works isn't necessary, but I can't imagine a grown person in a civilised country not knowing what AIDS is and of its dangers...
i don't believe you.
It does highlight the pressing need for education like we had back in the 80's.
And for teachers to tell kids
"If you have sex, you will get AIDS, and you will die....don't have sex, and here's some condoms"
(quote from mean girls, the missus made me watch it, funny film)
technically it isnt aids that kills, but some other disease or illness bewcause of the immune system deficiency
Ha and all AIDS sufferers have recieved it because they "took a chance"?
I'm sorry, did the child drinking contaminated fluids "take a chance" on living vs certain death through dehydration?
Did the dying person in a car accident "take a chance" on recieving blood than dying?
in eastern europe most hiv infections are coming from dirty needles due to their 'tough' appraoch to drug users, meaning they dont get access to clean needles
But note the SOMETIMES. nckdn was implying that ALL sufferers have got it through stupidity.
by factors outside of the controll of those being infected.
Bad blood transfusions etc. being an example. Yet
mostly AIDS and HIV is still spreading by human to
human contact, sex. Unprotected sex.
Therefore the arguement that many, yet true, not all
infected, could have done their bit to avoid the
disease, can be considered a valid one.
Here some statistics on AIDS in the uk:
CAUSE OF INFECTION:
Sex between men - 61%
Sex between men and women - 26%
Injecting drug use - 6%
Blood/tissue transfer or blood factor - 4%
Mother to infant - 3%
Other/undetermined - 1%
BRITAIN v. SOUTH AFRICA:
BRITAIN:
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 0.1%
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: 34,000
HIV/AIDS - deaths: 460
SOUTH AFRICA:
HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: 21.5%
HIV/AIDS - people living with HIV/AIDS: 5.3 million
HIV/AIDS - deaths: 370,000
AIDS education is taken to rediculous levels, there is no billboard or lamppost with not at least one AIDS warning. Children are taught about AIDS from Primary SChool level, even shows such as "Sesamy Street" (spell) are used to teach the youngest about AIDS. Condoms are available at no cost everywhere, AIDS testing and counselling as well as treatment is free countrywide.
From all african countries, Soutzh Africa is the one country in which the people are the most educated, in which the majority of the population can read and write and in which there is NO WAY you can NOT know about AIDS, and yet the infectionrates rise and rise.
WHY?
WHo Knows???
like a huge lumbersome prehistoric dinosaur that knows bugger all, and shines and glistens in the sun because of the varnish
yup its an aged and worn american politician
its called the "i dont think ill get it" syndrome and considering mbeki's stance that hiv virus can pass through condoms
and its amaziing you criticise my argument and dont come up with any statistics for eastern europe which what i was talking about, since thats where the rate of infections is so high
i suppose it can if theres a hole in the condom
clever comment of the day award, like theres a hole a my sock :rolleyes:
well if there wasnt that scene in american pie 1 wouldnt have worked
I think your post is also quite amazing. I would suggest you do some research on topics
you post on, before making arguements
you cannot back up.
1. Tabo Mbeki argued that HIV does not cause AIDS and not that HIV can pass
through condoms.
The South African branch of the Catholik church argued that one.
2. If you want to know the statistics for eastern europe, here thay are:
Between 1.9% and 3.1% of Western Europeans have been infected by the AIDS or HIV virus. Of
the 18,030 people with newly diagnosed HIV which the West reported in 2003,
58% probably acquired HIV through heterosexual contact
30% were homo/bisexual men
11% were injecting drug users
Does that prove my point?
A.
How come so many people believe(d) that it can only be transmitted with gay relations?
cause thats how it started to be origionally spread, and then the shit sorta stuck
First I heard of AIDS personally was a TV spot when I was 8. There were a (cartoony) man and woman in a bed, looking at each other with a magnifying lens, and the words "Make sure you've checked your partner" (or something, I don't remember).
and im annoyed at why they dont have the aids warnings and adverts levels like they used to, i think while the have world aids day, in the UK they need to have a big fuckassed push to get the message out and to shock people into seeing and then learning the truth
Our class had poor sex ed because we were so disruptive (hence we weren't allowed to use computers in IT either) and because of the attitudes in the place I've grown up... I guess that's where the idea came from.
And it's not like in teen magazines they had huge articles on AIDs at the time.
You really are a twat.
I do have compassion for self-inflicted suffering, but more for innocent suffering. That's a perfectly valid viewpoint Blagsta, you needn't call me a twat!
I wonder if South Africa doesn't prove my point about stupidity rather than ignorance being the cause for most HIV infections. If you were to compare different ethnic groups in that country, where everyone is warned of the dangers of unprotected sex, would you find a correlation between a high incidence of HIV/AIDS and low IQ. I bet you would. I'm sure you know I'm right.
I've risked it myself and to any young people reading this - it's never worth it! Buy a condom and have all the fun you want, with as many people as you want - but be safe! Here endeth the lesson.
So no, ignorance is a complete bag of wank.
You're insinuating here, a link between ethnicity and IQ.
No - I'm suggesting a link between IQ and HIV infection. I've explicitly posted (not slyly insinuated) that I believe different groups have different IQs. They do.