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Torys complain about Paxman

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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They have accused him of being biased. Is this a fair accusation or is it just Paxmans style? I watched the clip the other day...will try to find a link though its about 20 minutes long.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    of course he's biased. he is known to be left of centre.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Haven't seen the clip in question. All I can say is that Paxman comes across as balanced- he will roast anyone, from any side of the political spectrum, with equal enthusiasm.

    His infamous grilling of Michael Howard 8 years ago (when he asked him 14 times in a row the same question) is vintage stuff. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Haven't seen the clip in question. All I can say is that Paxman comes across as balanced- he will roast anyone, from any side of the political spectrum, with equal enthusiasm.

    His infamous grilling of Michael Howard 8 years ago (when he asked him 14 times in a row the same question) is vintage stuff. :D

    He asked the question at the end of the interview the other day :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    he later said he only asked the wuestion that many times because he couldnt think of anything else to say

    which admittedly been a lucky shot, pulled off well
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    micheal howard is still feeling pwnd by paxman after that 14 question grilling
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I've just watched the report and it seems fair to me. The jolly down to Cornwall was shown to be a meaningless exercise but Michael Howard did get a chance to say his piece. Sometimes I think politicians are too worried about the media perception and less worried about producing decent policies that engage the general public with politics. Nothing in that report made me want to vote Conservative.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having just watched it I thought it was pretty anti-Conservative (and I speak as a die-hard Lib Dem... yes, they exist :) ) ... but no less 'anti' than anything that Paxman does ... that's his style - attacking, pushing, asking overtly hostile questions. He does the same to Labour MPs and to Lib Dem MPs ... so nothing new for the Conservatives to complain about!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I haven't seen it, but the beeb is notorious for being full of commie twats. Paxman is generally fair (he's horrible to everyone, which is why NuLabour never go on Newsnight) but the beeb generally is staffed by socialist tosspots who think that they're doing the world a favour.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^
    oh dear
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    ^
    oh dear

    Well it is.

    Fox News had a very valid point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fox didn't have much of a point at all and has suffered enormous derision and humilliation as a result of its little deluded rant.

    You could see the hand of Murdoch behind all of it- a man who hates the BBC with infinite passion. Poor thing... :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Fox News had a very valid point.

    never thought I'd hear that :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Especially from Kermit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Of course the BBC’s biased. Their selective coverage on the Middle East is unashamedly anti-Israel, they’re blatantly anti-Bush and I think the Conservatives have probably got a valid point here.

    CNN and Sky News seem more impartial than the BBC; although I think there’s talk of the regulations on satellite channels being relaxed so if that happens Sky News will just turn into a UK version of Fox News. Fox News is just absolute crap, flicking through on the election coverage their reporters even let the occasional ‘we’ slip out when talking about Bush’s success. But I guess if Sky News did become more partisan like the BBC it would balance it out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Funny how the BBC gets accused of pro-Israeli bias by the Palestinian supporters all the time isn't it?

    And to me, that is probably as good evidence of impartiality as any: that both sides of a conflict accuse the BBC of favouring the other one.

    Please do name a single occasion where the BBC has shown anti-American or anti-Israeli bias.

    Unless of course you are suggesting that the mere reporting of atrocities committed by the Israeli government constitute negative bias. I guess the world shouldn't know about human right abuses at all, should it?

    As for Sky News, it does not seem too biased, which comes as a bit of a surprise. However its editorial priorities seem a tad bizarre, often preferring to post the latest Beckham gossip or other showbiz news as their top story. It does come across as a rather infantilised and generally annoying channel IMO, with its bright colours, sound effects and pointless polls- not to mention ad breaks in between.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin,

    Can you provide some instances of the BBC getting accused of a pro-Israel bias?

    Anyway you obviously didn’t read my initial post properly as nowhere did I accuse the BBC of being anti-American…Unless you believe being anti-Bush is being anti-American that is? I personally hate Bush but I like America…

    You asked for an occasion where the BBC has shown an anti-Israel bias. Here's two:

    “Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC's Gaza correspondent for the past 10 years, told a Hamas rally on May 6 that "journalists and media organizations [are] waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people." Yet no British paper (apart from the local Anglo-Jewish press) agreed to publicize these remarks. The best the BBC could do in response to requests from Israel that they distance themselves from these remarks, was to issue a statement saying, "Fayad's remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC."”

    “Anti-Semitism drawing on Christian traditions can be found on TV, too. For example, the BBC's chief Jerusalem correspondent Hillary Anderson began one recent report on the deaths of Palestinian children by saying: "Deep underground in Bethlehem are the remnants of an atrocity so vile, so far back in history, King Herod's slaughter of the innocents." (The camera meanwhile showed a pile of skulls.) Then she moved on to the deaths of the Palestinian children, evoking Herod's Massacre of the Innocents, to remind the viewer that Jews, who tried to kill the infant Christ, are busy killing innocent children once again.
    The allegation that Israel has deliberately tried to kill Palestinian children is horrible and deeply upsetting. But equally upsetting is the possibility that Hillary Anderson and her producers at the BBC do not know that the myth of Herod's slaughter is the original anti-Semitic blood libel, which arguably gave rise to centuries of persecution and pogroms, culminating in the Holocaust.”

    Full article:
    http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/European_Media_and_Anti-Israel_Bias.asp
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit
    I haven't seen it, but the beeb is notorious for being full of commie twats. Paxman is generally fair (he's horrible to everyone, which is why NuLabour never go on Newsnight) but the beeb generally is staffed by socialist tosspots who think that they're doing the world a favour.

    i sincerely hope you are doing another one of your stirring sessions,

    stirring.gif

    because if you aren't i'd LOVE to see you back up such an emotive statement
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Disillusioned
    Aladdin,

    Can you provide some instances of the BBC getting accused of a pro-Israel bias?
    You should ask the Palestinians since it's them who make the claims.

    I have said that the BBC is impartial (are you reading Luke?)

    Anyway you obviously didn’t read my initial post properly as nowhere did I accuse the BBC of being anti-American…Unless you believe being anti-Bush is being anti-American that is? I personally hate Bush but I like America…
    Fair enough, my apologies

    You asked for an occasion where the BBC has shown an anti-Israel bias. Here's two:

    “Fayad Abu Shamala, the BBC's Gaza correspondent for the past 10 years, told a Hamas rally on May 6 that "journalists and media organizations [are] waging the campaign shoulder-to-shoulder together with the Palestinian people." Yet no British paper (apart from the local Anglo-Jewish press) agreed to publicize these remarks. The best the BBC could do in response to requests from Israel that they distance themselves from these remarks, was to issue a statement saying, "Fayad's remarks were made in a private capacity. His reports have always matched the best standards of balance required by the BBC."”
    And what would exactly be wrong with this?

    Has the reporting been biased?


    “Anti-Semitism drawing on Christian traditions can be found on TV, too. For example, the BBC's chief Jerusalem correspondent Hillary Anderson began one recent report on the deaths of Palestinian children by saying: "Deep underground in Bethlehem are the remnants of an atrocity so vile, so far back in history, King Herod's slaughter of the innocents." (The camera meanwhile showed a pile of skulls.) Then she moved on to the deaths of the Palestinian children, evoking Herod's Massacre of the Innocents, to remind the viewer that Jews, who tried to kill the infant Christ, are busy killing innocent children once again.
    The allegation that Israel has deliberately tried to kill Palestinian children is horrible and deeply upsetting. But equally upsetting is the possibility that Hillary Anderson and her producers at the BBC do not know that the myth of Herod's slaughter is the original anti-Semitic blood libel, which arguably gave rise to centuries of persecution and pogroms, culminating in the Holocaust.”
    A deeply biased interpretation of the events that is, from a deeply biased source. I don't read it like that at all, but each to their own.

    And as for the Israelis deliberately killing children, well there's a new case every week. I hope you're not trying to deny now that these things happen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    aladdin is such a hypercrite... when i say the BBc is biased in its reporting i get laods off him but its Ok for him tpo say the BBC's reporting on israel is biased.
    Can you read?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin,

    We’ve argued on this so much and I’m too tired and hungover to type out some wordy reply…So I’ll just say have a good weekend. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    because if you aren't i'd LOVE to see you back up such an emotive statement

    The BBC is staffed by a mass body of Ben Elton clones, basically.

    When John Major was PM all one ever heard from the BBC was about sleaze and corruption. Never hear anything from the beeb about Blair's government- the only time the beeb have EVER been critical of Blair was over Iraq, and that's because being against the war was more suited to their red tendencies.

    The BBC is NOT impartial about domestic politics, and it never has been. It has always been pro-Labour, and it always will be. If you don't believe me, go and do a little search about the Civil Contingencies Bill.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Well it is.

    Fox News had a very valid point.

    Oh dear.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Disillusioned
    Of course the BBC’s biased. Their selective coverage on the Middle East is unashamedly anti-Israel, they’re blatantly anti-Bush and I think the Conservatives have probably got a valid point here.

    Although of course you'll often hear exactly the opposite claimed by people on the left.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    The BBC is staffed by a mass body of Ben Elton clones, basically.

    Well that rather refutes your initial statement then.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Well that rather refutes your initial statement then.

    Indeed.

    But you know exactly what I mean.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No, not really. The BBC has always seemed fairly impartial to me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i want them to get blunkett on and just ask "how will ID cards stop terroists?"

    :lol:

    and "you say you're trying to portect our freedoms by turning us into a police state, so we wont have any freedoms left, bit contradictory aint it!?"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    ...which is why New Labour never go on Newsnight...
    Or Question Time. Why is it that only crappy ministers go on that? People like David Blunkett and John Reid, the hard-hitters of the government never go on it, allowing deputies to take the flak from the public instead.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    Or Question Time. Why is it that only crappy ministers go on that? People like David Blunkett and John Reid, the hard-hitters of the government never go on it, allowing deputies to take the flak from the public instead.
    That's precisely why they do it.

    One thing you have to give to Blair is that he's a good orator and defends himself in public rather well. But most others wouldn't be able to. So whereas it would be politically damaging to see a 'heavyweight' grilled and roasted in public, it doesn't matter that much if the victim is a junior minister.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by stargalaxy
    Or Question Time. Why is it that only crappy ministers go on that? People like David Blunkett and John Reid, the hard-hitters of the government never go on it, allowing deputies to take the flak from the public instead.

    I guess but when the Conservatives were in power did their ‘hard-hitters’ go on the programme? I can’t actually remember. I know at the moment the Conservatives usually have someone pretty senior on but I’m not sure if that will continue when they get back into power.
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