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War on drugs is over

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thats why I cant ever see cocaine being available legally.

    Granted opiate addicts tolerance goes up and up, but its a relatively slow process and as long as the dose is up'd at the right rate then the individual shouldnt behave any differently.

    If you gave an addict rocks they would still go out and steal to buy more because you would just further the habit rather than staving off any need.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    whats involved in the treatment of Coke/crack addiction then, drugs wise:confused: ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Erm, given that I'm not a re-hab specialist my knowledge. Blagsta will have a much better idea.

    Obviously there is the usual round of benzo's to help the person sleep.

    Acopunchure (sp?) has also been shown to be quite effective.

    There's the vacine coming out soon ish too, though theres deep moral concerns over that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    whats involved in the treatment of Coke/crack addiction then, drugs wise:confused: ?

    Nothing really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Nothing really.

    Do you think the vaccine will be rolled out to addicts when it comes on line Blagsta?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I doubt it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Really? The bloke I was talking to at Release a while back said he thought it would be.

    Its morally very dubious but the government doesnt really care about stuff like that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    what IS involved in the treatment of said addiction then / where can i find out more?:confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, well, they will probably be given a course of benzo's these will calm the person down, cut down the worry/stress levels and help them sleep.

    Then I presume they will be given one-to-one counselling, though thats rare and expencive.

    I've got a book at home which discusses treatment therapies, I'll note its name down and give it to you, I cant remember it now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Really? The bloke I was talking to at Release a while back said he thought it would be.

    Its morally very dubious but the government doesnt really care about stuff like that.

    There is no way it could administered against someone's will. I'd guess that most drug workers would be against it as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    There is no way it could administered against someone's will. I'd guess that most drug workers would be against it as well.

    He was definately against it, saying that addiction is really only partly about the chemicals, most of it is about what the person is running away from. Why the person wants to escape.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thanx:)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    thanx:)

    Are you just curious or have you got another motive for asking?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you just curious or have you got another motive for asking?

    oh just curious, why :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just checking mate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :yeees:

    i dont have any freinds who have a coke problem (well, not anymore and even that wasnt serious) and i have only done it a few times.
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    JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    I have just spoken to a drug professional, who recommends people for treatment. He said that, as widespread cocaine and crack addiction is a very new problem, there isn't much to go on. Treatment options at the moment include at home withdrawl using for example, Naltrexone, which stops the effects of cocaine. Antidepressants have also been used in treatment, as have benzos as Bong mentioned. Treatment largely depends on who the person is, what situation they are in and what else they are taking. This link has all the information on treatment from the NHS National Treatment Agency if you are interested...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Naltrexone - I've heard of that one, its very similar in principle to the vaccination.

    I'm guessing CBT could well be useful too, though getting a good proffessional in that could be a nightmare.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    CBT?

    oh and nice one LJ:D :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    CBT - Cognative behaviural therapy - basically looking at your thought processes and trying to change them.

    So, a certain situation might lead you to think badly of yourself, or want cocaine for example, so the therapy works through the reasons for that and you over come that.

    Its good for dealing with specific problems, its supposed to be quite logical.

    Though I am bound to be explaining it reasonably badly.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its good for dealing with specific problems, its supposed to be quite logical

    for specific personal problems i can quite see that, but as you said you'd need one hell of a professional to put that in place successfully.

    i may (and am) be being extremely ignorant here but im having trouble seeing how that would have a decisive impact upon a servere coke addiction, let alone crack.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It can be done if the person wants it to work.
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    JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    This is from the publication -
    Drug-free psychosocial interventions such as counselling, provided on a non-residential basis, are the most cost-effective options for clients with few complicating problems.
    Recognised psychotherapies delivered by professional psychologists perform no better than well- structured drug counselling.
    In the USA, cognitive-behavioural approaches have a relatively large and positive evidence base. Group therapy using these approaches has been found to be as effective as individual therapy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It can be done if the person wants it to work.

    oh im sure it CAN work, i was just saying that i wonder what the overall success rate is for that form of therapy
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well there really isnt any other forms.

    Acupuncture, benzos, and CBT, thats about the best of it really.

    Most important though is the hope that there is something better waiting at the end of the journey.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Most important though is the hope that there is something better waiting at the end of the journey

    would it be fair to say that it can be easier in medical terms to treat a heroin addicition rather than a coke addiction.

    or is that just a gross oversimplification that fails to take into account all of the personal and physiology-specific variables involved in individual addiction:confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh definately, you can actually medically treat a heroin addiction, there is no real physical addiction to cocaine so its much more troublesome.

    But, all addictions are escape, how hard they are to treat depends on what they are escaping.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    how hard they are to treat depends on what they are escaping.

    how much damage has been done (back on topic :p) would people say, by the propensity of government drug policy to see the 'problem' as 'drugs' (eg: just say no in the 80s/early 90's) rather than substance specific?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thats certainly how it appears, but the drug law sort of forces that upon them.

    That and its much easier for the public to digest.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That and its much easier for the public to digest.

    good vs evil?

    just a thought; since the West (read: USA) has been so quick to point to drug trafficking (sp?) as a major source of funds for international terrorism, are they going to start locking up drug users for funding terrorism? :confused:

    (devil's advocate.....mwahahaha look at me with my pitch-fork-of-piss-taking-power)
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