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Ectasy and feeling a but down
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Im goin out for my birthday on sat which is one of the two times of the year that i reserve to get completley off my tits (the other is my week in ibiza) due to being at uni and ectasy doing noticable damage to my memory in the past.
Anyway iv been feeling a bit down lately about one problem and another, not depressed or any other mental health problem just a bit weighed down by everything that is going on. In another thread i read about how people that are depressed can be affected badly by different substances (im not saying that im depressed, well not in the illness way anyway).
So i am just askin if anyone thats been feeling a bit down in the dumps has ever felt differently affected by drugs than when in a happier mood in a similar way to people that are depressed, in particular ectasy and speed. I mean affected differerantly whilst off your head not when coming down, i would imagine that coming down would be worse if your feeling down anyway.
Anyway iv been feeling a bit down lately about one problem and another, not depressed or any other mental health problem just a bit weighed down by everything that is going on. In another thread i read about how people that are depressed can be affected badly by different substances (im not saying that im depressed, well not in the illness way anyway).
So i am just askin if anyone thats been feeling a bit down in the dumps has ever felt differently affected by drugs than when in a happier mood in a similar way to people that are depressed, in particular ectasy and speed. I mean affected differerantly whilst off your head not when coming down, i would imagine that coming down would be worse if your feeling down anyway.
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If you are feeling down before you drop E, due to problems in your life, your brain via its network of neurons is reacting to (as well as creating) thought processes realted to your perceptions and experiences of the world around you.
When you take E it wont magically make all of your problems go away, ergo you will still feel like this when you come down.
The problem may be that when you are coming down (everyone's brain chemistry means that they will react differently) your brain is trying to restore order; to get you back to where you were before you dropped.
The problem when coming down is that the temporary neurotransmitter depletion (specfically of serotonin) caused by Ecstasy use limits the ability of the brain to make you 'feel' better. And since the way you feel in terms of mood affects the way you think, your thoughts could become more negative as a result or you have more trouble feeling better about things than normal. But then your brain will also react to negative thoughts and adjust mood accordingly so it becomes a cycle.
This is an EXTREMELY crude model of a stupidly complex process, but it might help to answer your question in terms of the consequences of dropping during difficult periods.
Ultimately though, do you really think its worth it when you could have a wicked time with freinds anyway, and on the other hand their is a very real possibility of you feeling shite in a way that will marr your memories of this birthday
believe me i know E is wicked
But I am sure Bong will pick my theory to pieces... and remember we are dealing with a VERY complex set of interactions when we talk about depression and drugs, not one is really sure how these things interact and what the consequenses are. The best advice I can give is really have a think about whether one night or right now is really worth the potential consequenses - you have the rest of your life to do these things in, what's the urgency? Listen to how you are feeling and if it doesn't feel right, don't. It's a bit cliched, but so true.
Personally I see it as a lot more complex than that, the dopamine receptor for example, something so closely linked to pleasure and movement MUST have something to do with it if you ask me.
I could go into more detail, but well, my insomnia is bad at the moment and I've been getting by on about 3 or 4 hours a night for what seems like a year.
As for whether you should use the drug, well only you can know that really. I would suggest that if you're unsure then dont, you can always wait.
But there is of course the issue of working through your problems on the MDMA. But I get the impression this isnt the way that you use the drug so I dont think thats really a viable option.
yeah ive been thinking that as well, hopefully i'll get some more answers as i learn more about it.
Depressed people tend to have dulled senses, lack of excitement, less movement, low sex drive.... all of which are dependant on the dopamine system, not really seritonin. A word I really should learn to spell at some point.
no it does sound quite simple when you explain it like that, but the more i learn about the brain the more stupidl complex it seems.
One professor who gave us a lecture said that 'The fact that the brain of the human being develops normally in so many people, and that things going wrong with it are the exception rather than the rule is nothing short of a miracle'
:yes:
also makes ya question the wisdom of fucking with your brain chemistry really, but its fun i guess
Nope, we were all wrong. Its serotonin.
no you werent im still here