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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by slade
    Simplistic in the extreme. do you have any notions of business?

    Yes, that is overly simplified, but I'm not really in the position to write a dissertation on capitalism at the moment.
    And yes, I do have a notion of business thanks, I used to run one.
    Originally posted by slade
    Yes, having read CVs of many in the Saturday papers many are Grammar school boys who made good through diligence and hard work

    Oh dear. You really have missed the point haven't you? :D
    Originally posted by slade
    There's not that much to moan about in UK

    Come and do the job that I do and tell me that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    As I've said elsewhere- I don't have any answers anymore. I just think that a system based on exploitation of people and the environment, one that is inherently unfair and based on profit is unsustainable.

    If Humans don't reach the stars, then capitalism is screwed. Completely unsustainable.

    If we do though, vive la capital.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    If Humans don't reach the stars, then capitalism is screwed. Completely unsustainable.

    If we do though, vive la capital.

    Are you a mate of labrat's? Been reading too much Heinlein have you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    If Humans don't reach the stars, then capitalism is screwed. Completely unsustainable.

    If we do though, vive la capital.
    what stars we talking about?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    what stars we talking about?

    perhaps metaphorical stars representing excellence, and the best that we can do?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    what stars we talking about?

    As in space. You know, that big black space up above that is full of natural resources.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Are you a mate of labrat's? Been reading too much Heinlein have you?

    Who is labrat? Who is Heinlein?

    Been reading too much Marx?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Who is labrat? Who is Heinlein?

    Me thinks he doth protest too much. YOu know perfectly well what I'm talking about.
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Been reading too much Marx?

    Haven't read any to be honest.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    YOu know perfectly well what I'm talking about.

    I've seen labrat in that Anarchist thread. I do not know who he is.

    And i lied about Heinlin. Hes a philosopher right? I dont read philosophy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    As in space. You know, that big black space up above that is full of natural resources.
    all the other planets are either dead or out of reach.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    I've seen labrat in that Anarchist thread. I do not know who he is.

    And i lied about Heinlin. Hes a philosopher right? I dont read philosophy.

    :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Now they are unreachable and using them is totally unrealistic.

    What about the future? They would be chock full of metals.

    I was reading about how 1 comet has enough platinum in it to make platinum next to worthless as a commodity. That is just a single example. Imagine mining the asteroid belt (inbetween mars and jupiter or saturn and jupiter? i forget) or the moon.

    Completely unfeasible now. But in 300 years time?
    100 years time?
    50 years time?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree that we need to explore space. But not for private profit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    Now they are unreachable and using them is totally unrealistic.

    What about the future? They would be chock full of metals.

    I was reading about how 1 comet has enough platinum in it to make platinum next to worthless as a commodity. That is just a single example. Imagine mining the asteroid belt (inbetween mars and jupiter or saturn and jupiter? i forget) or the moon.

    Completely unfeasible now. But in 300 years time?
    100 years time?
    50 years time?
    the cost would make all those metals extremely expensive.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    :rolleyes:

    Fine dont believe me.

    Go ask labrat. I do not know him.

    And i do not read philosophy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    (a) Heinlein was not a philosopher
    (b) It's quite clear that you don't read philosophy
    (c) I wasn't being literal you plank.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    *googles Heinlein*

    Oh so he writes science fiction.

    I do enjoy science fiction a my favorite is all about an uber marxist ultra commie socialist utopia :crazyeyes
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ursula le Guin - The Dispossed?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ian Bank's culture novels.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    I agree that we need to explore space. But not for private profit.

    I take it you are against Branson's latest endeavours?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aaaah. I've only read "Use of Weapons". Good stuff though.
    But you do seem to have read too much US Libetarian sci-fi. It ain't true y'know! :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by minimi38
    I take it you are against Branson's latest endeavours?

    Which endeavours?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Which endeavours?

    Virgin sending people into space for money.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well seeing as he can't run a train service properly, I dunno if I trust him to get people into space.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Well seeing as he can't run a train service properly, I dunno if I trust him to get people into space.

    virgin are better than most, and it is more to do with the overall condition of the network than branson's personal skills. It's not really a question of whether he's capable, it's whether he should.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    He wasn't very succesful with his baloon flights either was he?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    He wasn't very succesful with his baloon flights either was he?

    For a change, don't avoid the question Blagsta.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have no problem with Virgin sending people into space for money (I'd love to do it myself). I do however have reservations about the environmental damage it might cause, just so some rich fuck can float about for a bit. I'd also be against the private exploitation of resources in space, the same way I'm against it on earth.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    didnt see post wait ill reedit
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Trains are in a bad state because of decades of under investment by the government. But this isn't a train thread.
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Aaaah. I've only read "Use of Weapons". Good stuff though.
    But you do seem to have read too much US Libetarian sci-fi. It ain't true y'know! :lol:

    I didnt know there was any US libertarian sci fi. I'mnow going ot be looking for it. I used to read alot of star wars books. Star wars is blatently capitalist. Its great.
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    I have no problem with Virgin sending people into space for money (I'd love to do it myself). I do however have reservations about the environmental damage it might cause, just so some rich fuck can float about for a bit. I'd also be against the private exploitation of resources in space, the same way I'm against it on earth.

    It has to start off with some "rich fuck" floating about in space for a few minutes. But Branson reckons if enough people sign up (hes already had thousands of applicants) he can take the price down substantially (30k i think iread i could be mistaken). As with anything it will start of expensive and the prices will fall.
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