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Blair, top class liar.

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit




    The Conservatives were in for eighteen years because nobody with any sense would let a Trade Unionist or a Socialist run the country. Because all they do is ruin it, because they are greedy, lazy, scum.


    The Conservatives ruined the economy under Major, which is why they went. By the time Clarke rebuilt the economy, and gave Brown such a brilliant footing on which to work (so brilliant, in fact, that he copied it for three years), nobody cared.

    Do you think anybody cared about the poor miners, who brought it on themselves anyway? [/B

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    poverty and near collapse of all services from education/health/police/prisons/courts/etc. IF THE ECONOMY IS ALL THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN AS YOU SAID IN ANOTHER THREAD THIS EVENING ...THEN THE CONS SHOULD HAVE SAILED ON AND ON ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC.
    BY THE TIME MAJOR CAME TO POWER ...THE CRACKS AND BULLshit were showing.
    the miners ...i have to dissagree.
    the unions and labour had indeed become a joke ... unworkable.
    all hail tony!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the Tories hadn't had Black Wednesday they probably would have kept sailing on and on.

    Thatcher had become a liability, and if she had remained as leader they'd have lost the 1992 election. But that, again, was the economy- the cost of the Poll Tax fiasco (£13billion if you were counting) ruined the economic footing of the Tories, and it was only Kinnock's incompetence that ruined it.

    The cracks were showing, but then the economy started to fall in the late 1980s, to its depths in 1992/3.

    I'm of very mixed opinion about New Labour, to be quite honest, because Tony is so slippery. He's not a social democrat- his first act in power was to cut benefits to lone parents. But then he brings in the New Deal, Sure Start, Minimum Wage Act, Human Rights Act, Freedom of Information Act (even if I wouldn't wipe my arse with it)...all things the right-wing opposed vehemently, and even things that the Socialist's Socialist Clement Atlee didn't bring in.

    I wouldn't trust him to tell me the time, but New Labour are still ahead because they have done some good, and all sides can see that because all sides have benefitted.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit

    but New Labour are still ahead because they have done some good, and all sides can see that because all sides have benefitted.
    pleasing all of the people all of the time aint bad is it.
    this labour party have amazed everyone then!
    they have actualy made such massive improvements to this country that all sides can see it ...all sides have benefitted!
    yet ...people want to vote for something else.
    this is the first government in a very long time to have actualy worked for most of the people most of the time.
    the first government to pull all of us on board.
    we finaly have something thats working then ...and people talk of voting for something else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You can say what you like about Blair but I do think he is the best person to run our country at the moment. I also don't think his done a bad job. I don't think anyone else is in the position to do his job at the moment.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Felix Da Housecat
    You can say what you like about Blair but I do think he is the best person to run our country at the moment. I also don't think his done a bad job. I don't think anyone else is in the position to do his job at the moment.
    his party ...under his leadership ...have indeed done an amazing job!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    before i forget ...the title of this thread ...blair, top class liar.
    he obviously isn't if you all noticed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Labour took power with such a huge majority because of the economy. Nothing else.

    I'm not sure that it was that straight forward.

    Yes the economy itself played a part, but as you say when the Tories left office the economy was in pretty good shape.

    Public Services, however, were a disgrace and Labour made a big play about this.

    Also important were the allegations of "sleaze" within the Tory party, which had effectively undermined public trust.

    Basically the tories had failed in a few key areas and the public had lost faith. It wasn't so much that Labour had more to offer, just that they public no longer believe that the tories could govern. Funny, but most elections are lost not won...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It has not been perfect but the home policies have been generally good. Other than the treason and backtracking regarding the renationalisation of the railways, and further privatisation of public transport (PPP on the Underground) there have been many improvements over health, education, the minimum wage...

    Labour's dealings with foreign affairs however can be safely regarded as single most disastrous foreign policy of any government in British history. Blair should at the very least resign for what he's done- there are probably good grounds for actually sending him to trial for war crimes.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The thing that amuses me most about "sleaze" is that Conservative sleaze was just the odd backbencher taking a brown envelope, or shagging a hooker whilst being hanged by his testicles, or something.

    Blair, on the hand, has been personally implicated in governmental corruption totalling ten millions of pounds, as has much of his front bench, and he's got away with it. If Blunkett had been Tory he'd have been vilified for what he's been putting where, but New Labour have gotten away with the whole damn lot.

    Blair is the worst PM we have ever had- he is a liar, he is corrupt, he is self-serving and he has no redeeming features. His party are better, but only a certified moron would vote for the Scottish cunt that's the alternative.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you have multiple personality disorder Luke?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    but only a certified moron would vote for the Scottish **** that's the alternative.

    Once Blair goes I think Labour will lose their way, especially if Brown takes over.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Brown isn't necessarily hugely like to take over, only 2 of the last 19 chancellors have gone on to become PM, or so I read on BBC online.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by girl with sharp teeth
    Literally yes, he is the leader of the Labour government. But ideologically, he's stolen most of the Conservative principles.
    but has managed to share the countries wealth like never before ...clever stuff.
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