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Blair, top class liar.

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
he's on tv spouting more shite about making the UK a better place to live.

who's betting he won't keep 99% of what he promises?

:rolleyes:

i'm all for being able to vote pm's out if they're not doing what they said they would... straight up, within 3 months if you haven't done anything groundbreaking then you're out.

it can't be hard.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What do you mean by "groundbreaking"?

    If you want something done on a large scale, as this expression suggests, then I have to ask if you want kneejerk reactions or something which offers real sustainable change.

    If the latter then I am afraid that you need to take time to properly assess the problem and then forulate a realistic response. Sadly it is not possible to do this in opposition, as many parties have found over the years.

    Also, should we really be looking for our politicians to make change for change sake?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    free education

    free (proper) healthcare

    decent policing with REAL consequences for breaking laws.

    there's a start.

    the utopia will follow soon after.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In three months? Considering it take 6 years to train a doctor, 4 years to train a teacher and more than a year to train a police officer. Totally disregarding any need for experience. You're on another planet.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i never said everything had to be finished done and dusted, i just want a proper start to the process.

    :rolleyes:

    everything just seems halfarsed at the moment.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    These things take real considerable time. To fix each on the whole system, and many other connected system would need total overhauls, and by the time you've done it it doesn't work the way you need it to. Consistant evolution works better.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i take it you've been in a position of such power before then?

    :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no, but i never said it would be piss easy to sort... you claim it's extremely difficult, thing is, neither of us know for sure.

    for all we know they could be sat on their arse doing fuck all everyday. human nature and all that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm inclined to think that it must be difficult or it'd work by now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    or perhaps they're not trying at all... just living it up ? who knows for sure?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by big_man_with_a_
    i take it you've been in a position of such power before then?

    I am.

    If I am given funding for a new doctor today, I guarantee that it would take six months to fill any post I currently have available. For example.

    Of course, I could employ a locum with all the additional costs that entails (even assuming that I can find one). And that doesn't even take into account the huge clinical governance risks associated with employing locum cover...

    The plans I am making now aren't for next month, but for this time next year. In fact, we are actually looking at the NHS capacity for 2008/9 at the moment and taking steps now to ensure that there is sufficient.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    find it very difficult to believe... what with posting on thesite and all.

    ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by big_man_with_a_
    find it very difficult to believe... what with posting on thesite and all.

    Yes, because the sort of detail I have just given is just the sort of thing which general members of the public usually have available, isn't it.

    Perhaps you should look at the amount of information I have posted about the NHS before making such a crass comment.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i apolgise, but this is hardly a site for people with intelligence is it? it's populated by children mostly...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you include yourself in that?

    I have to say that most of the time in this forum the people posting are intelligent and articulate, whether I agree with them or not.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i do include myself in that... i come to this site for amusement, not for deeply intelligent chatterings.

    this particular forum is the better side of things, people here tend to know a little about little, the rest of the website however is like smashing yourself in the face with a spade.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by big_man_with_a_
    i apolgise, but this is hardly a site for people with intelligence is it? it's populated by children mostly...

    Astonishingly patronising thing to say.

    Maturity may be an issue at times, but you'd be surprised at the number of people posting of each of the forums here with higher academnic qualifications than I have.

    Just because people don't want to get involved in deep discussions doesn't mean that they lack intelligence.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unfortunately for those who want a change in government, every single poll seems to suggest that there will be a Labour government next term.

    Because even though most people are unhappy with Blair and don't trust him one bit, they also admit that the alternative is even worse. This is really bad news for the Tories- Labour's lowest point since 1997, and people still believe it's preferable to Michael Howard.

    So there will be indeed a Labour government next term, though hopefully a greatly reduced one, or even better a coalition with the Lib Dems.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by big_man_with_a_
    free education

    free (proper) healthcare

    decent policing with REAL consequences for breaking laws.

    there's a start.

    the utopia will follow soon after.

    couldnt agree more.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    pools don't really count... check out 1945 opinion polls, then check the election result.
    :lol: Great example :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    init! :D
    No
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kentish
    No

    behave :lol::lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    behave :lol::lol:
    *rebuked*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    pools don't really count... check out 1945 opinion polls, then check the election result.

    I really do believe that if the tories can do well in the confernce next week, they will win next election. in birmingham already howard is seeking support and with his tight asylum policey he will.
    Luke, the only realistic chance the Tories have of winning is if they got rid of Howard and came up with some fresh policies. Howard is dead in the water. The people don't see the Tories and their leader in their current state as a viable alternative to Labour. They should be 12, 15 points ahead ffs, given the current state of Labour.

    Plus don't forget that the Tories also supported the war.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Unfortunately for those who want a change in government, every single poll seems to suggest that there will be a Labour government next term.

    Generally speaking, most of these opinion polls are only based on a cross-section of 1000 people. Most of whom may not reperesent a 'wide' cross-section at all but just ones most willing to answer a poll.

    However, I agree. To most people, Labour are still the lesser of 2 evils - and there doesn't seem to be any other party that appeals to the masses.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by big_man_with_a_
    free education

    free (proper) healthcare

    decent policing with REAL consequences for breaking laws.

    there's a start.

    the utopia will follow soon after.

    Free education - Whilst many people would agree that education should be free (higher) including myself to an extent, well... can the country really afford to pay for the huge amount of students going to uni and coming out with a degree, only to bum about, work in a factory or do something completely unrelated?

    healthcare - The problem seems to be that nurses ain't gettin' paid enough (Ok, my stepdad works nights and seems to be ok with that)... I mean that's gotta be it because people don't seem to wanna be nurses very often. Either that or hospitals can't afford to employ them.

    Policing and REAL consiquences - What is a real consequence? Should more money be going to researching the root of the problems? rather than arresting people and wasting taxes on prisons and policeforces?

    Man... it's hard to make such aims and our country is a Utopia compared to the majority of the world...

    But yeah, a politician should never promise anything unless they're gonna at least try and sort things out. But aye... the most anoying thing about Blair is that he seems to be trying to Americanise the Uk... that and he doesn't seem to listen to things we as a nation (the voters and tax payers) have to say about certain things.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the trouble with being young ...you weren't around to see why labour took power with a massive majority.
    18 years of tory greed and neglet had the infrastructure of this country in tatters ...vital services starved of cash and talent. a 1/4 million teenagers with no further education or work.
    i could go on and on.
    i will be voting labour.
    why?
    the changes i have seen in this country and in the people of this country ...is very very impressive.
    of course there are failings. of course theres loads more that everyone wants wants and wants again.
    there is no perfect government and never will be.
    this is the most sucsessful one in my lifetime in so many ways.
    i hate the fact that blair was dumb enough to go with the yanks on iraq ...i would love to see a change of leadership but not ...of party.
    so ...i will vote for the labour party ...i would hate them to loose cos of tony ...he can be sorted out at a later date ...the country needs sorting out now ...and so much has improved ...is improving ...the alternatives are a joke.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Luke, the only realistic chance the Tories have of winning is if they got rid of Howard and came up with some fresh policies. Howard is dead in the water. The people don't see the Tories and their leader in their current state as a viable alternative to Labour. They should be 12, 15 points ahead ffs, given the current state of Labour.

    Plus don't forget that the Tories also supported the war.

    This really does miss the point, IMHO.

    The reason why the Conservatives are having such a hard time of it is because New Lasbour has stolen the middle-right from underneath them and, more crucially, has provided better results using the same mantra. People won't see the Conservatives are preferable until New Labour stop being successful on what counts.

    It's the economy, stupid. Everything else is tangential- if the economy fails, New Labour will be straight out on their ear. But until then people don't have any incentive to switch service providers, because that's all politics is now- a question of service provider, rather than ideology.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    because that's all politics is now- a question of service provider, rather than ideology.
    i wish i'd said that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    the trouble with being young ...you weren't around to see why labour took power with a massive majority.

    Labour took power with such a huge majority because of the economy. Nothing else.

    The Conservatives were in for eighteen years because nobody with any sense would let a Trade Unionist or a Socialist run the country. Because all they do is ruin it, because they are greedy, lazy, scum.

    The Conservatives ruined the economy under Major, which is why they went. By the time Clarke rebuilt the economy, and gave Brown such a brilliant footing on which to work (so brilliant, in fact, that he copied it for three years), nobody cared.

    Do you think anybody cared about the poor miners, who brought it on themselves anyway?
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