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If it wasn't an upper-class hobby, you wouldn't call it a class-driven move would you?
Most people wanted it banned because it is a cruel sport.
fuck hunting
who gives a shit about a few foxes, they would have to be killed anyway, shot its just a cruel, why would hunt protesters get so worked up about it, when theres much much much worst thinhs going on in the world to people and worst things going on to animals in factory farms in the UK, one battery chicken building probably causes more suffering to animals in a year then all the foxhunting in history.
There is more important things to look at its a bit smug and sanctimonious and blind to the real problems in the world to be soi anti fox hunting (a bit like that craven **** Tony Blaire actually)
I find it reminisent of American attitudes, such as the case where the woman had been in a "persistant vegative state" for 10 years her husband wanted to switch off life support , her parents didnt, the court decided that her husband had the right to decide, this was a big media case, so before she was switched off, the governer Jeb Bush stepped in and ordered her to be kept alive,,
A whole load of americans decided that this was a "mirical" decided by god.
GOD IS A WHITE CHRISTAIN AMERICAN, would move to keep her alive but does nothing to stop millions dying who are black andf poor.
Dose anybidy find this attitude similer to rabid animal rights extreamists,
And not that an animal having a good life permits some twats tear it to pieces for fun anyway...
You're right. I forgot to add 'shooting for pest control purposes' to the list of acceptable conditions.
See, this is where you and most of the pro-hunters get it wrong. Animals are not ours to do what the fuck we want with them. As part of the food chain, it is acceptable for humans to eat other animals. It is however not acceptable for humans to kill animals for fun. Animals are not yours, mine or anyone else’s to play with.
The fucking countryside is not yours, mine or anyone else's either, for that matter. I'm getting rather bored with the suggestions that hunters or farmers are somehow the owners or keepers of the countryside and all the species that populate it. The pro-hunting lot are actually giving the word 'countryside' a bad name.
I know what you mean, but most serious anti-hunt protestors are also vegan and campaign against factory farming.
Yes, I do think it is opportunist of Blair, deflecting important issues such as Iraq onto relatively less important ones like hunting.
The will of the people and of the House of Commons has repeatedly been trampled on by the Lords since this issue was first voted out. Had the Lords not acted so selfishly and declined to defend the interests of their friends instead of torpedoing the Hunting bill again and again and fucking again, this Bill would have been passed a long time ago, and valuable Parliament time would not have been 'lost'.
I don't see why the government and the will of the House of Commons should be defeated by an out of touch, mostly unelected minority simply by the dirty trick of derailing legislation time after time and then claiming we have more important things to debate. If anyone is to be blame for lost time, it is certainly the Lords, not the government.
I have to point out a big differnce between the two, with badger baiting, dog fighting and cock fighting your taking animals out of thier natural habitat and inflicting almost certain death, badgers have their claws removed and cant run away, cocks are specifically bread for fighting thats tampering with nature, hair coursing is definatly a working class sport and it had not been banned (till now) cause its hunting natural animals in their habitat where they stand a change of escaping,
Because it serves a purpose.
Anyway, why isn't fishing banned yet? It's cruel, it's barbaric, and it's killing for fun.
It doesn't always result in the death of the fish though.
What about those who fish to support their families?
It nearly always does- keep them and they suffocate, throw them back and they are so weakened by the trauma that they die soon afterwards. Throwing them back is actually crueller than not.
If you kill fish to eat then that is acceptable, if you fish for sport then it is not.
But hey, wait a minute, city boys fish. Can't ban that, Bliar might lose votes.
Horses get put down all the time. Literally all the time, if one breaks a leg it gets put down.
The only difference is that this carcass was driven and dumped, rather than being boiled down to make glue and dog food.
Pointless argument.
Fox hunting is survival of the fittest. The strong foxes get away, the wek ones don't. It keeps the population down, it kills off the weak, that is good for any population.
People object to fox hunting for two reasons:
1. "Posh" people do it.
2. They enjoy it.
Come up with a better solution for vermin control then.
Oh, and I presume that nobody who objects to fox hunting has ever used a mouse trap or rat poison? Or stood on a spider?
Moot point, that.
A mouse in the skirting board doesn't, if we're going to be pernickety.
Those with the agneda one way so they aren't vermin, those with the other agenda say they are a huge problem that needs to be dealt with. Both have figures and facts to prove it.
Such is life.
Just personal opinion though.
I think boths ides overstate the odds to prove a point. And animal rights protestors have a long and successful history of lying through their back teeth, even more so than the CA (who are vermin).
Examples?
They have concluded- as have many others- that the threat posed by foxes is well overstated.
In any event if the fox population is such a threat, it is not very responsible of the hunts to artificially breed them is it?
Leaving aside this issue, the RSPCA are hardly abounding in integrity. Like prosecuting someone who went away for the weekend and locked the cat out with some food- what a waste of money that was.
I am against fox hunting, and aren't sad to see it banned, but it has been banned because of social issues rather than animal welfare issues. The RSPCA should have been trying to get Foie Gras factories shut down before getting rid of hunting, but no, they can't be arsed with that.
My opinion of the RSPCA is somewhere below that of the NSPCC and slightly above Greenpeace and FotE.
Its actually common practice for hunts to did artificial earths for foxes.
So you said before. I don't deny it, but nobody could give any decent proof.
No, I can't give any proof, but it is well known.
From http://www.huntinginquiry.gov.uk/mainsections/oralevidence/oral6aprilsess2.htm
I stand corrected abouty the artificial sets, assumign that the inquiry evidence was given truthfully. And that does kind of negate the necessity argument.
I still say though that hunting has been banend because of who does it, not because of any concern for the fox.