Is binge drinking immoral?

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Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd


You tell me what makes an action immoral then.

im·mor·al
adj.
Contrary to established moral principles.

As it's so widescale, and is now considered socially acceptable, it's not an 'established moral principle'.

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Originally posted by Zalbor
Sorry to barge in here, but there's a question I've neved heard a satisfying answer to.

People say "Why shouldn't (s)he drink/smoke/do drugs/and other stuff? It's his/her body". Then when someone says "I'll kill myself" everyone goes "No no no, don't do it!". Why not? It's their body in that case too.

because when you drink/do drugs/whatever you tend to be in a "normal" state of mind.

if you want to kill yourself then generally you aren't, and whilst you might have a hangover or whatever if you drink too much. it's a wee bit harder to recover from suicide. :rolleyes:

Indrid Cold

Originally posted by Maladjusted
because when you drink/do drugs/whatever you tend to be in a "normal" state of mind.

if you want to kill yourself then generally you aren't, and whilst you might have a hangover or whatever if you drink too much. it's a wee bit harder to recover from suicide. :rolleyes:

So in short, you can harm yourself however you like as long as there's still a (small in some cases) chance you'll recover? That sounds a bit hypocritical to me...

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Originally posted by Kiezo
im·mor·al
adj.
Contrary to established moral principles.

As it's so widescale, and is now considered socially acceptable, it's not an 'established moral principle'.

Bullshit.

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Re: Is binge drinking immoral?

Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd

Why should doctors be obligated to help you when you waste away your body on alcohol?

Then surely they shouldnt be obligated to help people that eat too much fatty foods, smoke, skydive go rock climbing.

Yeah doctors should only be available to those that eat healthily dont do anything dangerous and deserve their attention :rolleyes:

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Why not?

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Then I hope you dont waste their time when you have done something stupid to yourself.

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I will.

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Morals are rubbish anyway, they are transient and impossible to define on a country wide level.

Binge drinking, like with ANY other activity only becomes 'immoral' when you are negatively impacting upon others lives.

For example;

I have sex with a man/woman - no harm to others - not immoral.

I drink too much, shout, start a fight, vomit etc. - harm to others - immoral.

I go out raving - no harm to others - not immoral.

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You've contradicted yourself!!!

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Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd
You've contradicted yourself!!!

I fail to see the contradiction.

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I was using the term immoral after saying it was rubbish because of the context of the question.

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If someone can't honestly tell the difference between what is moral & what isn't, then you are a troubled individual.

Binge drinking? the 'word binge' has immoral written all over it has it not?

A drink is a drink, a bad habbit is exactly that.

Treat your body like a temple, you are only placed into this physical exhistence once, so why abuse your frame?

White Noise

Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd
You've contradicted yourself!!!

and your really good at short answers! :rolleyes:

i'm thinking that everyone should be allowed to do as they wish as long as you don't infringe on anyone's freedom or feelings in a negative or harmful way. How's that sound?

So drinking gets the thumbs up :thumb: .... but getting so drunk you appear on one of those cop shows is bad

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You are your own body, as is everyone elses. Should they choose to drink or do drugs, so be it. It's beyond another's control.

Personally if life is the way it is, why not drink or do drugs? Why not injest a substance to become happy?

I don't understand why anyone would design a world in which there is pain and suffering without a means of escape or at least means to cope. That doesn't sound very holy or God-like. Sounds more sadistic and perverse.

If one is not meant to escape from pain from time to time, then this must truly be Hell. If one is not free to do as one pleases in order to fend off pain, then it really isn't much of a blessing being an entity of this world is it?

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Originally posted by junker
I don't understand why anyone would design a world in which there is pain and suffering without a means of escape or at least means to cope.

There are the means to cope, but people turn their back on them.

People turn their back on God, they turn their back on community, they act out of pure greedy selfish interest. And everyone suffers for it.

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i've recently been reading about blackburn in the 19th century cotton mills and streets.
alcohol was the biggest cause of crime and violence ...so much so that at least two pubs are known to have been connected to an underground courtroom and jail so the offenders could be dealt with there and then ...so it certainly isn't new.

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The same problems then are the same problems now. Easy beer, easy sex, social destruction because of it all.

I'm no puritan, but with pleasure comes responsibility. People forget this at their peril.

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Originally posted by Kermit

I'm no puritan, but with pleasure comes responsibility. People forget this at their peril.

i think the problem is larger than in the past cos people more so today confuse the pursuit of pleasure with the pursuit of happiness. we are bombarded day and night with pleasure pleasure pleasure ...self self self ...
pleasure can be found everywhere and anywhere at any time ...
but those pusuing it all the time ...never find happiness.

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Originally posted by morrocan roll
i think the problem is larger than in the past cos people more so today confuse the pursuit of pleasure with the pursuit of happiness.

We have advertising now, which is companies cynically exploiting people. Have this pleasure and you will be happy, and people buy into it no matter how hard they try not to. It's human nature to want to be happy, and it's human nature to believe people who offer happiness.

People confuse pleasure with happiness because that's what they've been conditioned to do. the problems are deeper than individual people.

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With happiness comes pleasure; with pleasure comes gratification.

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Originally posted by SlimeFace
If someone can't honestly tell the difference between what is moral & what isn't, then you are a troubled individual.

Really? What is moral then?

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going by government guidelines unless you can get pissed on half a can of cider, getting drunk to any degree appears to be binge drinking

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Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd
Really? What is moral then?

You tell me. I already know.
Your name suggests a moral understanding.
So speak up.

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Speak up what?

Most people reckon harm is the barometer of what is moral or not.

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Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd
Bullshit.

Care to explain why?

Why not?

You're an idiot.

Most people reckon harm is the barometer of what is moral or not.

WTF? You're a fucking liar!

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Originally posted by kaptin pikarrrd
Speak up what?

Most people reckon harm is the barometer of what is moral or not.

Harm to what?

Riddles will get ridiculed Klingon Head!

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Harm is physical or emotional injury.

Who the fuck doesn't know that?! :rolleyes:

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WTF? You're a fucking liar!

Am I? Most people universally believe this. Deal with it.

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captain sissoko wrote:

Am I? Most people universally believe this. Deal with it.

Be a decent chap and fuck off now will you monocrat.