If you need urgent support, call 999 or go to your nearest A&E. To contact our Crisis Messenger (open 24/7) text THEMIX to 85258.
Read the community guidelines before posting ✨
Take a look around and enjoy reading the discussions. If you'd like to join in, it's really easy to register and then you'll be able to post. If you'd like to learn what this place is all about, head here.
Comments
Depends on your perspective. People believe in an actual entity that is God, not some kind of control system used in a fanatacist government.
Logically it would appear so, but who knows. Whether there is a moral absolute or not is based on whether god is or isn't.
Everything about moral absolutes is theoretical, and doesn't exist in actuallity. And to be fair, even those with faith experience doubts about the absolutes.
I agree that our society operates based on the existance of a moral absolute. Which does not actually exist.
Not what I'm saying. But never mind. I'm pissed and going out again in a bit...
Are you not a Christian?
Morality can't come from God.
Religious people would say God has perfect judgement. Even still a moral code formulated by God would still be arbitarily chosen.
Politics has nothing to do with moral philosophy!
Sorry what's the question? Cos cramming that 'not' in there confuses issues.
Chosing to follow a religious code is dependant upon the individual, not the apparent absolute of God.
So you follow a religious code but don't actually believe in god?
I was replying to the comment made by kaptin pikarrrd, which has nothing to do with me specifically.
Religion (certainly Christianity) is based on the notion that god has provided humanity with a set of morals that should be adhered to in order to reach heaven. A Christian can therefore not subscrive to morality being objective - their religion by nature is based on moral absolutes.
A christians own morality may be objective, that does not mean that morality at large is.
You seriously don't know what the question is?? :eek2:
Are you a Christian? From your posts I seem to understand you are, yet you don't believe in the moral absolute which appears to be a contradiction.
I am a christian, but havn't been for my whole life. I can admit that there is no moral absolute in humanity because there are so many different perspectives. It even varies from one christian to the next. Only God has true objectivity, that doesn't mean that I do.
And to be fair you could have been asking 'are you a christian' or 'are you an atheist' seeing as i haven't explicitly said before.
So therefore from a Christian perspective morality comes from God, which I don't believe is true.
Morality simply is a convention created to promote social order.
You've contradicted yourself. Are you trying to say you don't believe in where christian morality comes from, or that you don't believe in God.
Well you've failed to make yourself clear. Try again.
If you believe there is no moral absolute, then why are you a Christian? It's a total contradiction. The whole basis of Christianity and other religions (islam etc) is that the moral code is absolute - it's laid down by god. You either follow that code and are rewarded for being "good", or punished for being "bad". If Christian morals are objective, how can anyone be punished?
I simply said morality doesn't come from God in my view. Again, I believe morality is a convention created by humans to promote social order.
I don't think I am the moral absolute. I believe that god is. Not that there is no moral absolute. Being christian has nothing to do with my debating ability and I can argue that moral absolutes don't exist in society because there are so many different opinions on who God is and even if such a thing exists. Moral absolutes only exist in true objectivity, which other than God, doesn't exist because everyone has a different opinion.
Christians now accept divorce in a way that simply wasn't thought of a few decades ago, and I'm sure the same will happen for homosexuality. Not to say it's approved of, just that it won't be such a big deal. In that sense christians cannot claim moral objectivity.
I look to God to provide moral objectivity in my life, it doesn't mean my life always achieves that kind of standard. In fact it clearly doesn't because the bible tells me I shouldn't swear, which I do, on a regular basis.
Actually I've been meaning "relative" as opposed to objective but fuck it, it's going to be too confusing to back-track to what i was referring to originally.
Yes, very confusing. Nevermind eh? I had some fun.
Actually, just to clarify, what would define as "objective" and "absolute"?
the will to obey and serve him or not.
Absolute is total and complete, without restrictions on erm, authority, certain, not dependant on anything else, pure.
Objective is an outside perspective without distortion of bias or personal feelings.
Indeed.
which book?