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Vaccines against drugs?
BillieTheBot
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As you may have heard in the new the special committee set up by the government is expected to suggest vaccination as a possible answer to our drug problem.
The one for cocaine that is in development has shown good progress and one for nicotine is nearing the end of testing.
Now, would you allow your child to be vaccinated against cocaine, nicotine and heroin?
The one for cocaine that is in development has shown good progress and one for nicotine is nearing the end of testing.
Now, would you allow your child to be vaccinated against cocaine, nicotine and heroin?
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Can we vaccinate our children against ever voting for scumbags such as Blair and Blunkett though? :mad:
But, well the nicotine one would be difficult to turn down, its the biggest cause of preventable death and give no 'high' to the user.
But, how can we suggest vaccinating against a legal past time?!
I think the cocaine one has potencial though, at the moment there really is fuck all to give coke addicts. I think it should be an option available to those addicts who want it.
but in small doses alcohol isnt actually addicitive, and most people turn to alcohol addiction after going through problems in life they cant deal with
i think its a good idea, but it should be down to parents, not government as thats a bit creepy and controlling
Mass vaccination is only the extreme possibility they are considering at the moment.
One could well question the health complications of this though, cocaine has been used by many for long periods, opium for even longer. No body is yet to produce an anti-body, why is that?
And there is the issue of heroin being very closely related to the bodies natural pain killers. Could this anti-body create a body without these and therefore someone constantly in pain?
tackling a drugs problem is really hard to do, so in addicts its a good idea, but cause of the other uses of these drugs, i dont think mass 'vaccination' would work
btw no body has ever developed resistance to cocaine, cause it does its damage and gets metabolised too easily for it to be permently recognised by body, i think it last in brain for max of 20 secs - this isnt the high effect but time the actual chemical last in brain
deal with the drugs problem throgh a individual apprach i say
Could have fooled me. The buzz I get from the first smoke of the day, or after a few hours without, is something which I would describe as a high
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In answer to the question posed, no I wouldn't want my children vaccinated against personal choice, just because "someone" has decided that it's bad for them.
Whatever happened to personal choice?
But, it doesnt produce a 'high' in the traditional drug sense of the word, in terms of strength its in no way comparable with the effect produced by other drugs.
The relaxation effect is something I understand. This is caused by the brain craving the nicotine and thus stressing itself. When the nicotine is recieved the brain relaxes. Nicotine itself is not a relaxant but many smokers believe it does not realising that the main reason they are stressed is because of their addiction...
Yeah I understand. I never got a high from my first smoke. I would expect something different from other drugs...
I have nothing against smokers as such, I just see it as a waste of money.
It is. But the taxes pay a large part of the NHS bill, so it's not all bad.
Personally, rather than vaccination, I would go for legalisation and taxation. Sounds much too sensible for any politician though...
I just dont see the 'average joe' really being able to handle relatively cheap and available cocaine. Moderate users would become heavy and heavy users would mess up in spectacular style.
...and you would trust this stuff? something that in my opinion is attacking spiritual desires in men that have been there a long time ...hey we found a way of switching off these peoples means of escape ...sounds fucking scary to me.
no i most certainly wouldn't.
What I was gonna say.
When smoking while sober (which I've done maybe 3 times) I got too lightheaded for my own liking.
Either way, I didn't understand what the vaccine did?
Take away the addiction, or the side-effects?
but it kills stupid amounts of people and it smells awful, and you dont need to do it
dont give a f**k what tax is provided, if you can get everyone to stop, even if it takes time, ill see that any day
I just dont see the 'average joe' really being able to handle relatively cheap and available cocaine.
well mate ...it's readily available and it just keeps on getting cheaper ...our assylums aren't bulging at the seams ...our cemetries realy aren't filling up with recreational coke heads ...people are on the whole far more sensible than you give them credit for ...a minority end up with problems be it drink or drugs.
The government trying to take away the right to take certain drugs as soon as they were born, people should have the right to try it.
I know people don't have to smoke wheresmyplacebo but come on, i just like something about smoking.
how about selfishness and small tits?
lying?
call me old fashioned but ...i actualy like the human race!
But none of these things are going to stop happening, so are you saying to stop people smoking cigs rolly?
the sc-fi in my day was always spooky ...showing you hints of what the future could be like if we got it wrong ...usualy cameras watching every move you make ...eyes watching every penny you spend and what you spend it on ...this along with dying eco systems was the usual scenario ...for fucks sake i'm now finding i'm living in those worlds!
'welcome ...to the machine ...'
i have travelled here from a very different world than what you consider to be normal ...you never know ...i might be obsolete soon ...literaly ...my generation ...the last unchipped version.
we're doomed i tell ya.
But cocaine related deaths are rising sharply and use has trebbled over the last few years.
If you reduced the price even more and upped availability then these problems would only get worse.
I was talking to an expert about this yesterday and he was quite against mass vaccination. He commented that addiction isnt really about the drug as such, its about the conditions you are trying to escape.
Thats why these will never work unless as part of a whole scheme of drug re-hab.
Wouldn't the country be a better place if hundreds of thousands of people suddenly realised that they've got better things to do than stare down a bottle?
Wouldn't it be great that instead of trying to wean heroin addicts by giving them a course of expensive drugs, you can give them one injection and they are cured?
As for cocaine, it's a nasty drug with a huge number of people hopelessly addicted to the effects, having to take more each time to ensure they recieve the desired effect.
Simply legalising it isn't going to make the lives of people better, they'll still suffer the side effects, they'll still need more and more and more.
If the stuff has no price tag then what's to stop people taking it?
A vaccine on its own wouldn't work, but imagine the look on the face of someone who has become so hopelessly addicted to something that if they had the choice during their rehab they could be suddenly cured and be able to reenter society as a productive member.
I think it's something that should at least be trialled alongside other methods to see the result, instead of being dismissed immediately because it smells too Orwellian for you.
But it's not, since when has shooting up with heroin EVER been good for anyone?
A responsible parent would warn their child of the dangers and make every effort to ensure they didn't fall foul of it.
As for Blair and Blunkett, yes Blair is an arse. Blunkett is however trying to make good reform when it comes to law and order. He, like everyone else is sick of people who claim to have more rights than the victims they terrorise?
Take the case of Michael Polizczuc, a violent gun criminal from Nottingham. His face was one of those featured in a name and shame campaing, appearing on billboards and newspapers with the words "No such thing as untouchable" along with details of the hefty prison sentence he recieved.
Without giving any regard for the untold number of lives he ruined during his "career" he is attempting to sue Notts Police for violating his human rights.
The only people disgusted by the name and shame are him, his lawyers and Liberty. The rest of Nottingham poured in letters of support to the police.
Anyway, gone off topic, sorry.
Abuse of hard drugs is in the main escapism, if you dont change what they are running away from then they will find another means of escape.
And as for when has heroin ever been useful? Do you know of its medical uses. Its a very good pain killer with next to no harmful effects what so ever.
If they wanna try drugs it's their choice. I mean Jesus... it's a part of growing up innit?