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Originally posted by BumbleBee Well for a starters I don't care that much but she is wasting tax payers money by dragging it through the courts.
Originally posted by Kermit All this is to miss the point.
Muslim dress is allowed as part of that school's uniform, but the jilbab is not. As the school (quite rightly) points out, they do not want school to become a parade ground for who is the "best" Muslim- if the school lets this girl wear the extreme clothing, then it sets a precedent that those girls who don't wear the extreme clothing will be labelled ass "bad" Muslims by those who do wear the jilbab.
This girl is causing a stink because she can. The school are right; if all Muslim clothing was banned, then they would not be right. This girl has the opportunity to cover herself up as per her religion, not being allowed to wear something like the jilbab does not damage her "human rights". If she feels that strongly about it there are plenty of Muslim religious schools that she could attend.
Originally posted by BlackArab
I wonder if the school has actually made the effort to ask the opinion of the local Imam or any Muslim expert on Islamic beliefs?
Originally posted by *DEVIL* Actually yes they did, as mentioned in my earlier posts, it was said that, the dress (bibjab) was not a required garnment of religion, it was perfectly acceptable to wear the headdress.
But i will agree that as the other muslims do not have a problem it is very 'show-off' to those who cannot wear it.
And thankyou for your examples but yes you do see the "i am better than you argument" If a CofE child calls themselve CofE but never attends church then the one who ttends church will say i am more religious than you.
It does happen, kids are kids, it will happen and this girl is provoking it!
Originally posted by Rocksteady You can have a secular multi faith school where everyone abides by the rules or you have individual faith schools that only certain faiths attend. How can you have a school in the middle?
Originally posted by Rocksteady In todays society do you not think that having a multi faith non secular school in some parts of the country is very unpractical?
If you have Muslims Jews Hindus Jehovahs Witnesses Christians of All denominations how can you have an assembly at all?
Also what about the law that states that a daily act of Christian worship is compulsory for pupils in state schools?
Originally posted by Rocksteady Will that not happen anyway with no law to force people to mix in schools and the multi faith society we live in segregated into enclaves of religions?
Is a school not an ideal place for those who wish to express and practise their culture and religion which the government wants to promote?
Lastly in the Muslim religion I know it is against their law for a girls on many occasions to mix with boys, how can a multi faith school uphold such rules?
Originally posted by MacKenZie
Is it? Does a monopolist really have different moral obligations to one provider among many? If so, at what point do the rights of the "oppressed consumer" begin to outweigh the right of the school / shop to decide with whom it will conduct business?
Originally posted by Toadborg
becky, you ignored my point about blind-rule following, do you accept that Abu Ghraib prison wardens should follow rules by obeying orders to torture prisoners?
Originally posted by Rocksteady If it is not choice is it force? Ghettos are only a result of force are they not?
In England there is an areas of the cities dominated by different religions, odviously not 100% each religion but nonetheless those areas are segregated because of religion in the first place. True? Well surely then if people want to live in seperate areas they have a right to have their own schools also?
School may be a good place to learn about other people but do you deny people the right to attend religious schools? If so should the mixed schools abide by the law enforcing a daily act of Christian worship or should no children be permitted to worship? Although you perhaps not have a daily act of Christian worship for the whole school do you still allow those who wish to attend prayer meetings and those from muslim backgrounds worship seperately also? Should the school allow headscarfs and change the uniform rules? and allow those from the Jedi faith to weild lightsabres?
In Muslim sharia however it does not advocate the mixing of sexes on many occasions. Other religions have different laws so how do you make a school rule book?
Originally posted by Whowhere People blindly follow the rules, it's in our nature. yes, many of us question rules in hindsight, but how many times have you deliberately broken an order made by a uniformed official. If a policeman in the street told you to pick up some litter, you'd do it. I had a kid kicking a bottle at people the other week, he didn't drop it, was never his. But he still picked it up when I told him to. Why do people do this?
I suggest you read up on either Zimbardo's prison experiment, or Milgrams experiment on authority figures.
When those guards at Abu-Ghraib tortured those prisoners, and likewise when the Nazi guards shot all the Jews, gays etc when acting on orders, they are doing so out of a percieved fear of what might happen if they don't.
A lot of people are resigned to the fact as well in situations like this that if they don't do it, someone else will and will recieved the credit.
Originally posted by Rocksteady In Muslim sharia however it does not advocate the mixing of sexes on many occasions. Other religions have different laws so how do you make a school rule book?
Originally posted by Rocksteady Yes it is in their Sharia law, so much for all your interaction & cultural understanding then Blagsta?
Originally posted by lukesh no, you know more than me don't you.