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Gordon Ramsey

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
edited January 2023 in General Chat
This guy is a goon. He thinks entertainment is shouting and saying fuck (nothing new, Jim Davidson's bee doin that for years).

I work in catering and i recognise his type: Head Chef. He's nothing special, go to alot of catering establishements and you'll find bastards like him. The problem is that this type of media exposure makes people think that this behaviour is acceptable; i see people treated like this day in day out in the kitchen.

He's a self-important moron enjoying his little moment of Super-stardom.

Anyone else (particularly if you work in catering) agree/disagree?:confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hey if u watch his kitchen nitemares though, he cant get average chefs to do some decent food and service, he a good manager
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I work in catering and I also know people that have worked under ramsay. The man has the highest michelin rated restaurant in the country is highly sucessful and hes risking a lot to try and make a sucess out of people with bigger egos than himself. fair play I say, martin bashir what are of catering are you in?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hmmm some good points - and some odd ones m'thinks.

    I too found myself cringing thought the whole programme - but then again I did watch it all, and if it hadn't been over the top, would I have bothered? proably not.

    Gordon R, is one of the best technical chefs in the uk - and there is no argument about that, as other post have already sited. I find his language and attitide way over the top - but maybe that it what he is like - he obviusly hasn't got to where he is by being nice, cool, calm and collected - I think he is just passionate!

    As for leading society to belive that that sort of behaviour is ok - well, unfotuantly, there are too many other situations similar or worse - so I doubt that it has much effect any more.

    FO
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Maybe i should have made this clearer; i am not attacking his abilities or successes; to do so would be foolish in the light of what he has achieved.

    What i am getting at it is the end does not justify the means; Ramsey and the like of head chefs CAN make peoples lives utter misery and treating people like shit at work 'because thats the way it is' is unjustifable.

    I work at a Southampton hotel BTW mate, but the sentiments expressed are based on conversations with freinds in other areas of catering (im a waiter/Barman).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i see what you getting at - and you may be right, the ethos of "all chefs are bastards - so I will be one too" may not be the best way forward, but that is life.

    How many pleasent Regimental Sargent Majors do we all know, who are nice to people? Or how many football coaches who are pleasent to the footballers in a hope they will perform?

    There are exceptions to the rule, but, in high stress environments it sporns high stressed reactions in order to achive the high levels of success which are demanded by society.....

    only way out? everyone has to chill out more - otherwise it would never happen!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    true, but put this into the perppective of the job they are in.

    *Regimental Sergeant Majors are training Fighting people for a hostile environment (i've never been shot at in the kitchen yet, :D although i wouldnt rule it out if you give any lip to our Suis Chef)

    *Football players, apart from enjoying much greater degrees of privilage (not syaing they dont work hard mind) are coached to deal with stressful situations and endless support is provided to meet their needs

    Now lets get to your ordinary chef in the kitchen.

    Ramsey is an illustration of a Head Chef's style, but consider it in the following context;

    You put up with this shit everyday knowing;

    *You've trained years to do this.

    *If you are an unranked chef (not Head, Suis, 2nd suis whatever) in alot of restuarants and particularly chain hotels, you'll be lucky to clear 12-15K MAX.

    And its not just chefs......Non-catering people, spare a thought for the people at the very bottom (Ramsey has mentioned these people a few times in a totally digusting manner, showcasing the total distain they recieve)

    When your plate gets cleared, it is washed and dryed by the Kitchen Porter; the KP.

    Now Ramsey is being like this to someone who he hopes to verbally horse whip into achieveing something (to advance his own reputation as much as anything), what do you think someone like him is like to the guy who washes the dishes?

    These people who make you lovely meals possible, are not always seen, heard, well paid or even respected.

    And which industry has the highest proportion of unpaid ours worked (in a country with the largest figure of unpaid hours in Europe?)....Catering.

    (sorry that was a long one)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Gordon Ramsey
    Originally posted by Martin_Bashir
    This guy is a goon. He thinks entertainment is shouting and saying fuck (nothing new, Jim Davidson's bee doin that for years).

    I work in catering and i recognise his type: Head Chef. He's nothing special, go to alot of catering establishements and you'll find bastards like him. The problem is that this type of media exposure makes people think that this behaviour is acceptable; i see people treated like this day in day out in the kitchen.

    He's a self-important moron enjoying his little moment of Super-stardom.
    Yeah, got to agree with you there. Where does he get off on being such a bastard? He's just a foul mouthed prima-donnas, whose idea of management is to shout at, and bully, his staff. :mad:
    I recognise a bully when I see one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well on the kitchen nightmares series i think he came across rather favourably. To me he was seen to give credit where credit was due but yes when he wasnt happy with something he went over the top.
    On this new series Hells kitchen well in my opinion he is told to be as foul mouthed as possible after all this is television and the only reason you see ramsay on tv is because hes got personality.
    people I know who have worked with him have said he demands excellence and is not nothing like the foul mouthed bloke we see on tv.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have heard very good things about his food, but I dont think he actually has the best micalin stared restaurant in the country. I believe thats Ramon Blanc's place near Oxford, though I maybe wrong. Thats not quite the point though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im sure he's not like that all the time, and im sure ITV did ask him to characterise himself a bit, but to be honest its what he is representing.

    I will yield one thing however; that bloke on 'Kitchen nightmares' who couldnt tell that the musscles were off got exactly what he deserved; he should'nt have been cooking anywhere let alone as a head chef.

    Its not Ramsey so much as what he represents. Lower down the scale people get exactly the same treatment and there is no opportunity for advancement or progress. Bonuses are a joke/non-existant, while staff are consistently expected to adhere to that ridiculous American corporate ethos and 'go the extra mile'. (im not saying its a bad idea, just that if ones goes, so should all, which includes senior management)
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