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Drug law in 10 years time?
BillieTheBot
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Now, we have discussed our views of what should happen to drug legislation, but what do you think WILL happen.
Personally I think there will be more moves towards de facto decriminalisation of personal drug use. But at the same time there is going to be a growing witch hunt for heroin and cocaine dealers.
There will be more treatment centres for people, mainly because its more cost effective than putting them in prison. But at the same time those not working with treatment will be treated harshly.
I also see there being harder "on-the-spot" fines and penalties for those caught involved in 'anti-social' behaviour like drunken fights etc.
Your thoughts?
Personally I think there will be more moves towards de facto decriminalisation of personal drug use. But at the same time there is going to be a growing witch hunt for heroin and cocaine dealers.
There will be more treatment centres for people, mainly because its more cost effective than putting them in prison. But at the same time those not working with treatment will be treated harshly.
I also see there being harder "on-the-spot" fines and penalties for those caught involved in 'anti-social' behaviour like drunken fights etc.
Your thoughts?
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on a serious note, i see cannabis being legal, ecstacy class C, heroin and coke still class A but PROPER treatment to help ween them off, can't think of much else now.
There is no-one else left to appease:D
Brussells, London, Washington, Pyong Yang, Rome, Harare... Take your pick mate they are everywhere!:D
Heroin and Cocaine though would still be the same but much better help offered to addicts.
Alcohol made illegal like it the 1920's in America, would never happen.
What would they do? Oh probably nothing, just some trade embargo's, financial penalties, loss of good relations with most 'western countries' thats all.
Shogun; I think MDMA will be moved down, it has de facto been moved down already really, because in a lot of cases they only give you a caution for possession. So like with cannabis there will be a tidying of the law.
But as Rolly says there could well be a right-wing back lash to this liberalisation of some parts of society. Who knows. There is the pendulum theory in which society gets a too liberal, then swings back and gets too harsh. Its been happening most of this century. But then there is the begining of a change to whats seen as liberal or not.
We have for example horrific laws regarding terrorism, internment of non-uk citizens, yet there is a relaxing of the drug and sex laws.
your out of your depth again.
There are many many many other people out there who take drugs recreationally and don't inject themselves all them...drugs will never be totally banned, if you want all drugs to be banned to stop fighting and stuff then ban alcohol, mind you i would never want that, got to love the old' drink.
personally, i feel that it's not just the policys and laws on drugs that need to be reformed if we are to see some change in britain, there needs to be a "you can do what you like but if you get ill or cause damage and it's your own fault ie because of alcoholism, drug abuse ect then you have to pay for the things you need and the damage you cause, ie if you cause a drink fueled fight and break someones propety you then have to pay to have it replaced. but i think a lot of the laws surrounding child abuse/murder/organised crime need to become much harsher. a life sentents should be life.
Agreed :yes:
Maybe 'Mr kirk' wouldnt have had to hear those fateful words ('You'd better come down to the station house. Your son is dead') if society had encouraged more openess and available treatment.
The amount of drug rehabilitation provision in the Prison system (for example) is scandelous and completely illogical
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legalisation of drugs maybe a step foward in eradicating organised crime, drugs are their bread and butter.
Lukesh you seem to firmly believe the bullshit that the media has fed you, not every drug user jacks up in a council flat in the middle of a city.
And, the arguement is NOT down to whether legalisation is a good idea. It is down to whether legalisation would be better than what we have now.
Tougher penalties will not work, lets take the example of the US. They have some of the toughest penalties for drug use in the Western World yet the most destructive drug problem.
The drug market in the UK is worth at least £8 Billion pounds a year. Do you really think the government couldnt spend that better than criminals and terrorists?
And, most importantly when disussing a topic like this you have to understand that 'drugs' are not one entity. They are all different with very different risks and benefits.
To suggest that relaxation of the law would mean everyone shooting up fails to understand that even if given it free most people wouldnt want to even try heroin.
And also thats very patronising, without the law most people would make exactly the same choices as they do now.
If murder was decriminalised its likely that the number of murders wouldnt go up, most people are relatively decent.
Why is that?
No you don't, you're exaggerating like you always do.
People have been doing drugs for thousands and thousands of years. Laws ain't gonna stop it.
Tell me why legalisation would make the problem worse.
The main reason why drugs are such a problem is down to prohibition. Because they are a black market commodity, there are no legal controls on how business is conducted, on purity etc.
The price is also kept artifically high, leading to people comitting crimes to fund habits etc.
Legalise and most of these problems dissappear.
I have set the arguments out in a better way on here before, I can't be arsed to repeat. Do a search if you like.
Personally I find it interesting because many different fields, socialogy, criminalogy, law, politics, chemistry, biology....etc.
And why the need for them?
Hmm, well I guess there isnt a need for them. Same as there is no need for art, culture, fiction...etc. There are many different things humans do for 'fun' or 'enjoyment' which we have no need for.
But then one would hope we have evolved above just what we need.
Would you rush out and rape/murder/rob if the law was changed?
No, of course you wouldnt.
Of course there is a cultural problem in the UK with over consumption of drugs and alcohol.
This, to my mind would have to be addressed before full legalisation. But it could and should be addressed anyway.