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ID cards are coming
BillieTheBot
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3659355.stm
I used to be all in favour of them. We've always had them in Spain and they are useful and convenient for everything from opening a bank account to signing up with the local video shop. I've even 'pawned' it in a bar a couple of times when I didn't have enough money to pay the bill. It's brilliant!
However ID cards in Spain are (or at least were when I lived there) 'passive'. No smart chips or bar codes. No information stored that could be retrieved by retailers or the government.
The cards proposed to be introduced here will have a smart chip. In theory anyone with the right terminal could access your medical records, payroll and much more personal information. The government could use it to track your movements. Etc Etc.
I'm in favour of ID cards but I resent them being an interactive item. I'd rather they were just a simple photo ID card with no magnetic strips or smartchips to be read by anyone. So I'm not so sure now about this.
Any thoughts?
I used to be all in favour of them. We've always had them in Spain and they are useful and convenient for everything from opening a bank account to signing up with the local video shop. I've even 'pawned' it in a bar a couple of times when I didn't have enough money to pay the bill. It's brilliant!
However ID cards in Spain are (or at least were when I lived there) 'passive'. No smart chips or bar codes. No information stored that could be retrieved by retailers or the government.
The cards proposed to be introduced here will have a smart chip. In theory anyone with the right terminal could access your medical records, payroll and much more personal information. The government could use it to track your movements. Etc Etc.
I'm in favour of ID cards but I resent them being an interactive item. I'd rather they were just a simple photo ID card with no magnetic strips or smartchips to be read by anyone. So I'm not so sure now about this.
Any thoughts?
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I'd be interested to see how people think that this would improve my liberty, and what processes are in place to prevent their erosion...
They also should be used to help crackdown on fraud and illegal immigrants not keep track on everyday citizens.
The retina scan will work by checking your retina as you wait and then compare the result with the image on your card. So far so good... but what assurances do we have that there will be no record of you having been scanned there and then?
I for one don't look foward to having to endure retina scans every time I sign up for Blockbusters or put a few hundred quid on my credit card- and for the government and police (not to mention marketing companies) to being able to track my movements and know where I shop.
Oh dear.
Try reading some history maybe.
Well...how exactly would they use them to check that there were no illegal Immigrants? By checking your ID card all the time and you can be sure certain groups would be targeted and checked all the time (The ones that 'look like' asylum seekers) so it would be a tad inconvenient.
Apart from that - just like shops who give you a store loyalty card have loads of info about you - the government would have it too...great if you trust the people in the government but bad if that government changes!
They won't help beat terrorism.
Got to agree with that, it is not going to monitor certain activity of people, I coukd be a terrorist, and no one would now, i just feel these are going to cause more trouble, little privacy anymore.
Basically your everymove will be tracked, and data held, surely if you dont signthe data protection act they cannot make you do one. Is it not your basic rights?
I just think its a little limiting, i dont like the idea.
Get a passport. Seriously, there probably isn't any better form of ID!
Well the government has records on you, it could spy on you. If you're not a criminal, why should the state spend resources on your activities, considering you're doing no harm and not committing crime?
Everything you are entitiled to is stored on that computer, and whenever something is changed you recieve a laminated hard copy to keep in a safe, like a bank statement, that way if something changes by mistake you can goto an office give them the last hardcopy and inform them where the mistake has been made.
If you sign up for a bank account, credit agreement or get questioned by the police your retina is scanned by a portable reader, they won't have any authorisation to change the details. The readout will tell that person if you are allowed to drive, if you have given the correct address or similar.
It won't hold criminal records, those will still be held by the police, it won't hold medical information except essential stuff for police officers or ambulance crews, i.e.Epileptic/Diabetic or something similar.
It's Hamza. And by 'cronies', do you mean every Muslim?
all it means is any freedom we hav eleft being taken away
david blunkett would better be suited to serving in the nazi government with how much he loves removing any rights we have like he did with terroism laws
and damn i wish i worked in the place doing these tamper proof, get enuf money for forgerys
How is that going to "beat terrorism"?
Errrrr...OK. :rolleyes:
Please, elaborate...
I'll tell you what it will achieve. It will achieve precisely fuck all.
In fact its possible it might make things worse as it will create a power vacuum that could be filled by someone worse, but that we don't know about.
I agree that Hamza is an evil man, but to think that he is in any way a cause of terrorism is naive in the extreme.
For instance - Gerry Adams had links with the IRA, but this does not mean he was the cause of the troubles in Northern Ireland, does it?
Jesus christ. If The Sun said David Beckham was a cause of terrorism, you'd believe that eh?
He was an actual cause, not believer in, but cause of terrorism, he would have been arrested a long time ago.
That's Freedom of Speech for ya.
Yep. But speech is all that is. He's not planting bombs anywhere. Would you rather him gone and someone else doing so?
If by that you mean let him stay here and spout his bullshit, then yes. I'd rather have him that someone much worse.
Yeah, let's get rid of him, and let someone else in who is willing to blow things up. You're so fucking clever :thumb:
I talk out of my arse? Rich coming from you.
And I'm a supporter of him? Get a brain mate.
Answer my question. Would you rather him stay here and spout his bullshit, or have someone else who is much worse, and much more dedicated to his cause, which means planting bombs etc?
Answer my question please