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What makes English/British Not again!
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Yes again,
I read the other thread and was thinking of the defination of what makes someone english/British as it cant be tied to race.
My alternative definition is that someone has to have appreciation for the sacrifices of previous generations.
Regardless of someone’s race its more than just disrespectful or ignorant to have no value for the rights in this country that have been won and fought for in the past.
The same people who might sneer at armistice day, would gain from the social security system, that previous generations fought and paid for, the justice that means you have to have a trial before being locked up.
Don’t want to sound like too much of an old foggie but I think these values should be universal regardless of race, a much better definition than liking fish and chips etc.
I read the other thread and was thinking of the defination of what makes someone english/British as it cant be tied to race.
My alternative definition is that someone has to have appreciation for the sacrifices of previous generations.
Regardless of someone’s race its more than just disrespectful or ignorant to have no value for the rights in this country that have been won and fought for in the past.
The same people who might sneer at armistice day, would gain from the social security system, that previous generations fought and paid for, the justice that means you have to have a trial before being locked up.
Don’t want to sound like too much of an old foggie but I think these values should be universal regardless of race, a much better definition than liking fish and chips etc.
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However, then you have rules where you can gain citizenship after a number of years. So there we are.
I', British and I'm Welsh though I was born near Birmingham I have lived in wales since I was seven so I am Welsh. The language thing helps.
"being born in a stable does not make one a horse"
Wellington.
What about the old British raj, the people who were born there but came back to the UK after independence arnt Indian are they.
Again I say,,
Ha Ha Ha Ha
but seriously I read some of them and had my idea of what makes english/british would like some comments on that so what do you think
Sorry got to go now to the gym...
I'm Spanish because my father is a Spanish national (he wasn't before though) and that gives me the right to claim Spanish nationality.
I can have both at the same time. I like Fish and Chips and Spanish Omelettes... don't know how to spell that... Tortilla Española.
And when I'm asked if I'm English I always answer I'm British. I look forward to the day I can say I'm European and show the pretty blue Passport. :yes:
I was born in Sweden... only lived there for 29 days. Don't feel Swedish at all.
I'll probably always refer to myself as an Icelandic. Not because I love my country so much or anything like that, and I certainly wouldn't say that I'm more or less Icelandic than anybody else. It's just where I come from/grew up and that's it.
I think an appreciation of the history of a place, a snese of why institutions etc are the way they are is important.........
A guy is born in Somerset, he never leaves the country in his life and respects his family and his upbringing. His father was a member of Oswald Mosley's British Fascist Party. As he grows up he becomes more and more fascinated with the nazi party and the fact that they should have won the second world war. As a 40 year old he plants a bomb in his village on Rememberance sunday. As he is arrested and sent to the prison all the time shouting that he did it to bring down the government. His actions are condemed across the world, including by a Germany that is at a loss to understand his twisted perspective.
Such a man would be a traitor and a terrorist, an appaling citizen, but he would always have been an appaling British man wouldn't he? His lack of respect would never change his nationality.
What an completely irrelevant and redundant comment.
Please, someone has to like Lukesh... :yes:
Anyone? :eek2:
Well I like you Lukesh. I find you... amusing. :rolleyes:
:banghead:
It really isn't a source of credit, to be known to read that newspaper.
If discussing serious matters, you're expected to refer to serious sources.
In fact, some of your posts could have almost been forgiven for cut and paste jobs from 'The S*n Says' editorial column.
Every single scaremongering story, every single rumour you repeat here comes from the rag.
And for as long as you continue maintaining that the rag is a perfectly good and reliable source of news, the rest of the world will continue to correct you. Because not even the most loyal S*n reader would have trouble admitting that the paper is good for showing tits, talking about football and giving light entertainment relief while having your fry up in the morning- but certainly not for current affairs.
As much as I dislike The Guardian for being utterly and completely one-sided, that was seriously a stupid (in the true sense of the word) thing to say.
but the George W. Bush cartoons are so amusing
You've got this visceral hatred of the Guardian (something which I'm positive you've acquired from your parents or other relatives/friends) and keep talking about it even though I haven't even admitted reading it once. As it happens I do read the online version most days, just as I check other papers.
But I get a majority of stories from the BBC. Oh wait, that's also liberal and anti-British and anti-American, correct?
The Guardians.
And in relation to Aladdin's comment, i have picked up my choice of paper on my own. My mum at least is a 'Times' reader
The Sun loves hooliganism, ugly English behaviour and making money of Beckhams current affair. And America is as far as I understood not your country.
I do understand if you don't wanna read a paper because of their political stance, but at least read a proper one.
I honestly, don't believe you read those on a regular basis.
Obviously you have 9 million idiots in Britain then. And I don't have a problem saying that.
I know several S*n readers and they read it because it entertains them. But they're all happy to admit the paper is extremely right wing and biased, and certainly couldn't care less what 'The S*n Says'.
As for your other question, when I buy papers, which is not often because I commute by bike, is usually the Guardian / Observer. But I check the S*n every day (know your enemy
:chin: Now we know who is to blame...
I noticed that a long time ago... :nervous:
Yeah, The Sun, sure
circulation
still shows 3.5 million readers for the Sun which hardly hurts your case Lukesh, so please stop feeling the need to make up numbers.
People are asked to find references to the stories they post because the issues people talk about here are important and people would like to debate them. We could all win debates if we could just make up numbers.
Everyone else, the benefit of the debate forum is the chance to alter someones perspective, regardless of where you sit politically. If you feel strongly about something try to convince others of your view rather than insult them... which is a roundabout way of saying enough with f***ing cuckoo clock.