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Musn't Criticise the Darling Israelis
BillieTheBot
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A Lib-Dem MP makes accurate, but misguided, comments that she can see why many Palestinians are driven to becoming suicide bombers, and that if she was in a situation as desperate as theirs she might consider becoming a suicide bomber if she thought it would help things, and suddenly she's some sort of raving anti-Semite who thinks that the Jews belonged in Auschwitz.
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One quote from the Israelis ambassador really had my blood boiling:
Quite how slagging off the disgusting actions of a terrorist regime is an incitement against Jews is anybody's guess, and all it does is muddy the waters. Israel are little more than a fascist state, but that does not mean that THE JEWS are fascist filth- merely their Government. The Jews, more than anyone else, should understand this, given their history. The ambasasador is obviously one of the retards who think that killing innocent protestors is OK because they don't kow-tow to the Israeli regime, and he is obviously one who thinks that banning BBC journalists from Israel because they were critical of the Israeli walling process is a suitable way of promoting democracy and free speech.
The Israeli government makes me sick.
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One quote from the Israelis ambassador really had my blood boiling:
I can tell you one thing, we must stand up against such remarks, which are an incitement against the state of Israel and against Jews.
Quite how slagging off the disgusting actions of a terrorist regime is an incitement against Jews is anybody's guess, and all it does is muddy the waters. Israel are little more than a fascist state, but that does not mean that THE JEWS are fascist filth- merely their Government. The Jews, more than anyone else, should understand this, given their history. The ambasasador is obviously one of the retards who think that killing innocent protestors is OK because they don't kow-tow to the Israeli regime, and he is obviously one who thinks that banning BBC journalists from Israel because they were critical of the Israeli walling process is a suitable way of promoting democracy and free speech.
The Israeli government makes me sick.
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exactly ...homeless for thousands of years and they treat their neighbours like this!
Oh, very droll.
Please remind me, isn't screwing the Palestinians into the ground INCREASING the numbers of suicide bombers, not DECREASING them?
The Israelis and palestines are both equally to blame for the violence in the region, but the "Freinds of Israel" and the "Freinds of Palestine" both insist they are in the right. I say we should just ignore the lot of them and their squabble. It doesn't affect me, so why should I care if a bunch of foreigners want to blow each other up?
Its a shame that when someone genuinely attempts to learn why something happens they should be condemned by the press and suffer in their career.
How the hell are you supposed to address a situation without understanding why it happens. Perhaps we should all take Captain Slogs approach.
have a guess at a couple reasons why the middle east is of more concern ...
When a people are pushed to the disgusting extreme conditions the Palestinians have been pushed to for the last four decades, people will do irrational or even plain evil things out of desperation. Many Palestinians see such direct action as the only response to the evil oppression they find themselves the victims of. Seeing as nobody else can't be arsed/has the balls to bring the Israeli government into account, someone has to do something.
I guess it is within the rights of the Lib Dems to sack Jenny Tonge from the front bench, if they don't want to be associated with that kind of thing. I just wonder if the Lib Dems would have taken the same action had another MP said publicly that if they were an Israeli soldier they would be shooting dead unarmed 9 year old children too...
(Apart from that I am keeping out of this discussion)
Intelligent family people?
Could be discussed.
And yes, obviously I can't keep out of this.
Come on Jacqs, seeking to understand the motives of terrorism is very different from assisting terrorism. You cannot solve a problem without understanding it first.
Blow them all up. That'd solve the problem.
Maybe we're all missing the point- maybe Israel haven't gone far enough. Kill them all, and you'll have no suicide bombers.
Aladdin, in the case of the Lib-Dems I think that they probably would have been sacked. I'm not so sure with the other two main parties though.
You know full well that RIRA and ETA are not in the same situation- not now, anyway.
But anyway, why is trying to understand what drives people to be terrorists such a bad thing? Why is condemning flagrant human rights abuses such a bad thing?
Or is it that Palestinian lives don't actually matter to you, only Israeli ones?
It does affect you. The injustice in Palestine is one of the roots of extremist Islam anti-West feeling.
I believe they are intelligent family people. That far from the perception some have that people of Arab descent have a genetic impulse to blow up themselves when they grow up, they are like the rest of us: people who only wish to live in human conditions, with dignity, and to raise a family and have a good house and a good job. Just like the rest of us.
That many suicide bombers turn up to be university students, even people with degrees further demonstrates that far from being unintelligent, brainwashed ignorants who only blow themselves up because they hate Jewish people and they're looking forward to enjoying 70 virgins in heaven (what about the women bombers- are they promised 70 Johnny Depps when they go to heaven? :rolleyes: ) these people have been made to suffer to such extremes and have been robbed of virtually all hope of a life resembling normal, that they take the ultimate decision in an attempt to force the Israelis to do what no country in the world has.
Extreme conditions will push humans to carry out extreme acts.
Basially I should have kept out of it, but try telling that to a lightweight having only a couple of beers last night (wonder if Clandestine is gonna imply that I am an alcoholic again
The difference in the perceptions on this board regardng this case is well-known, and I really don't have the need to prove that further.
ps stop jumping in to tell us your not taking part, Lightweight!
I do however cite you for continuing with your dismissive refusal to demonstrate substantive argumentation to support your defence of the illicit actions of the Israeli government toward Palestinians (which have gone on since prior to the very founding of the state to the present day).
Given that the Zionist movement which gave rise to the creation of modern secular Israel was European in origins as were the successive waves of immigrants, the moniker of "anti-semite" imposed upon any who dare question Israeli policies is itself a misnomer. The Palestinians are the predominate "semites" of the two populations making the Israeli government the actual anti-semites and they are twisting the term and diluting its proper meaning in order to deaden all viable and rightful scrutiny of their actions.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/anti_semites.htm
The gravest error in all this is the knee reactionary argument which is derived from flagrant nationalistic sentiment more than a rational search for peace and social justice and the accountability of the political elite of Israel. It is this position which inspires and fuels the media and nearly all international fora in refusing to address the atrocities committed by Israel and condemning any who dare raise their voice in protest (even when the protestors themselves are Jewish by faith).
The suggestion is that we who uphold the right of Palestinians to be free from nearly 40 years of occupation, daily rocket and sniper attacks, demolition of homes and the virtual imprisonment into squalid ghettos guarded by IDF conscripts must hate all Jews and must by extension seek the eradication of the state of Israel is absurd and a clear avoidance of the issues.
This is nothing more than emotive and reactionary non-argument intended to divert legitimate culpability from those who wish to perpetuate the "victim" mentality as a means of excusing the very sort of human rights abuses for which we have invaded and toppled other leaders (usually Muslim).
The hypocrisy is breathtaking!
Manufacturing anti-semites
Branding critics of Israeli racism anti-semites
You didn't use the word alcoholic but your words could not be mistaken.
Read this, and continue 2 posts down in the same thread. There you go.
No suggestion of any longterm addiction made by me in that thread. Seems you delight in twisting other's words to serve your own apparent paranoia.
Harping on such non-issue related drivel however merely underscores how ill equipped you are to intelligently debate the substance of the discussion at hand. Par for the course I suppose.
Er, Oil? And who consumes more of that than anywhere else inthe world? The USA, of course. The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to telling them where to stick their "special relationship".
That they are neither 'desperate' or'poor'. The majority of suicide bombers are middle-class, educated and motivated by a mixture of nationalism, religious fanatisism and hatred of the Jews.
For example, take Hanadi Jaradat, a law student, age 21 who kileld 21 Israelis and wounded many more in an explosion at the Maxim restaurant a few weeks ago. This restaurant was half-owned by an Arab family and several Arabs were killed in the explosion. Those who send the bombers are against ALL forms of Jewish-Arab negociation, even peace negociations.
The Israelis hit back, it is what any country under attack from these fanatics would do.
Israel must destroy the suicide networks, and we must give them full assistance to do so.
the jews were denied their own state for generations ...when they get one they refuse to let others acheive the same ...does this make sense to you?
the israelis have broken and ignored more united nations resolutions than any nation on earth ...with impunity ...does this make sense to you?
:yes: agreed
What about Iraq, the US and Zimbabwe?