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Cannabis law change- My Rant.
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My Rant – Not being part of the staff and not wanting to moan about ‘faux friends’ I thought I’d post it here.
So, cannabis is changing to Class C within the next few days and there is a flurry of people on the news decrying this as a shambles. Which of course it is.
Medically, legally and scientifically cannabis should be Class C, there is NO getting away from that. In comparison with the other Class B drugs cannabis is significantly less harmful.
The problem with this is education, NOT the change in the law. The reason there is confusion and problems is not because they are changing the law, it is because there is a woefully inadequate level of public understanding regarding the risks with cannabis.
It is harmful, there is no getting away from that, no matter how many times some hippy says that it can cure all the worlds ills its not true. There is the smoking aspect, which is obviously harmful and because of the way cannabis is smoked it’s quite probably more harmful than cigs. This is because of the lack of filter, the way it is held in longer and the higher levels of tar like substances in the cannabis itself.
There is also the mental health issue, as with any psychedelic, it can trigger underlying mental health issues and can in some cases cause psychotic episodes.
So, in this time of confusion where most kids will tell you grass is ‘harmless’ where does the Government advise people to go, to Frank of course. That bastion of fantastic information!!
A website and phone service so shockingly poor it would be funny if there wasn’t peoples lives at risk.
This is a fudge in the classic political form, we are now to get the worst of both, a mix up where youngsters feel it’s a safe drug and still the whole market in the hands of criminals. We need full legalisation, there should be NO half measures, anything less is a dangerous waste of time.
So, cannabis is changing to Class C within the next few days and there is a flurry of people on the news decrying this as a shambles. Which of course it is.
Medically, legally and scientifically cannabis should be Class C, there is NO getting away from that. In comparison with the other Class B drugs cannabis is significantly less harmful.
The problem with this is education, NOT the change in the law. The reason there is confusion and problems is not because they are changing the law, it is because there is a woefully inadequate level of public understanding regarding the risks with cannabis.
It is harmful, there is no getting away from that, no matter how many times some hippy says that it can cure all the worlds ills its not true. There is the smoking aspect, which is obviously harmful and because of the way cannabis is smoked it’s quite probably more harmful than cigs. This is because of the lack of filter, the way it is held in longer and the higher levels of tar like substances in the cannabis itself.
There is also the mental health issue, as with any psychedelic, it can trigger underlying mental health issues and can in some cases cause psychotic episodes.
So, in this time of confusion where most kids will tell you grass is ‘harmless’ where does the Government advise people to go, to Frank of course. That bastion of fantastic information!!
A website and phone service so shockingly poor it would be funny if there wasn’t peoples lives at risk.
This is a fudge in the classic political form, we are now to get the worst of both, a mix up where youngsters feel it’s a safe drug and still the whole market in the hands of criminals. We need full legalisation, there should be NO half measures, anything less is a dangerous waste of time.
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When they were giving a breakdown of the drug laws, a reporter narrated, accompanied by a Graphic on screen to the same effect, that <quote>:
'At the moment Cannabis is a class B drug, in the same class as amphetamine and ecstasy:eek:
this really has got to stop:(
*sees this heading towards politics soon!
not only that but its so bloody hard to O.D on ganj.
Bong? ur thoughts on this one?
A verdict of 'death by misadventure' was reported, but as far as I can work out they havent actualy proved that he was poisoned by the cannabis that he consumed, which would be relatively easy to work out from what is in his blood. There has been a LD50 worked out, any basic chemist could run a test like that!
Also the coroner commented that it would be easier to OD if he had eaten the cannabis, did he check the mans stomach contents, his comments would suggest not. How hard is that?!
I just think this is bad timing, its a shoddy coroner thats all.
we all gon die:eek:
So lets say that Humans are 1/3rd less likely to OD than mice shall we, for the sake of argument.
Thats 1270/3 * 2 = 846.66mg
And the bloke is going to be about 155lb which is 70kg. So he would have had to consume somewhere about 59.25g which is over two whole ounces of PURE THC!!!
Lets say he had skunk that was about 25% THC, thats, 8 ounces of skunk.
How could you possibly eat that much?
However, of course the flaw with the LD50 is that obviously 49 subjects die before this point, so it is possible that he had a very low tolerance to it.
the coroner should be sacked. six spliffs a day he reckoned ...
when i was younger i smoked the stuff virtualy 24/7 for years! it's bollox and will be proved to be so. watch this space.
the handling of the downgrade to class C' is a fucking farce. soapbar dealers will be laughing into their bank balances.
this will though hopefully put the government, the police, the judiciary and the public into such a quandry that it forces full legalisation and control.
Make sure you haven't got a gun lying around next time you spark up...
What's this shit here, Ecstacy is Class A, speed yea class B, but cannabis in the same class as speed is stupid and i'm glad its being changed.
But how do you think local police will react to catching some teenagers who think they can smoke anywhere now and only have enough for a few spliffs on them...or even just caught walking down the road, i know here in N.Ireland the police certainly wouldn't act like that, they would arrest you and all that shit,especially youths in nationlist areas.
Why can't we just all be like the Dam
It could mean a big split between ACPO and the union of the 'beat' officers.
And yes what they have got in the Dam would be a good move, but its still a rubbish system, all the money still goes in the hands of criminals and there isnt any qaulity control.
However, cannabis has medical properties, being a narcotic and all. Alcohol causes nothing but trouble... I see it all the time from behind the bar, alcoholics with their grey skin, some people are just pissheads with no lives, others start fights and I've never seen that with people who smoke pot.
As for it triggering mental illness, it never triggered anything in me and I have never seen it do that. So it must be only the very isolated case. Just like some anti-depressents have made people go psycho, but they're PERSCRIBED to people. Others can take an asprin and die.
The mental illness angle comes in because of the psychedelic properties, if you take a substance with that effect and you have underlying mental health issues then it can come forward.
There is a growing number of reports that suggest that heavy use especialy during teenage years for young men can lead to mental health issues. However, is it just that type of men who smoke lots? There is a very suspect link here, there is a big difference between correlation and causation.
I reckon it's physically impossible to smoke that much.
Besides, undisputedly alcohol is a much more dangerous drug [in the short term at least], and is consumed by many teenagers.
As for OD'ing, I was talking about the oral dose, I think it could be done, but only if you really really tried and had access to pure THC. However you might just puke most of it straight back up.
Yes it would be possible i think to od on cannabis if you had the strongest stuff ever, pure, it could be ate, fuck the feeling coming up on it would be incredible i think for a while then things would go all fucked up from about 3 hours into it, but why would you even want to do that?
Same with LSD, there is technically a point at which you would OD, but you would have to go to such extremes and endure such nastiness that it wouldnt be worth doing.
I watched Questiontime (i think) and they were talking about the cannabis issue. Some people were making comments about how it is sending out the wrong message, sending a message out that people think it is harmless and is ok to take. The point i'm trying to make is what message do they send out about alcohol?? It is fully legal and I don't think i've ever seen a tv advert warning against the dangers of drinking.
IMO alcohol is worse in the long run than smoking joints, the main reason I think that is because Alcohol is physically addicted and can ruin your life one way or another.
The point about it triggering mental illness, from a personal experience with a mate I know this is possible. He developed schysophrenia (sp??) from drugs, the main drug he was taking at the time was cannabis. We were smoking a lot of it and not just small amounts and we dabbled with other drugs at the weekend. So IMO developing a mental illness or a mental illness being brought out through smoking cannabis is possible.
how convinent that most of the media forget to tell us about the litre of strong spirit he drank just prior to his death.. :rolleyes:
The newspapers were looking around for stories to go with the law change of Cannabis and at the same time a coroner who knows about as much about cannabis poisoning as my arse comes out with this shocking verdict. They run the story without a seconds thought.
Lickalotapuss; I can see your point, there isnt anywhere near the level of information about the dangers of Alcohol as there should be. I am always somewhat unsure about comparisons between drugs, they are different in terms of their dangers and their positive effects.
Of course you have to do comparisons for legal gradients, but I prefer a more objective view, looking at the drug in of itself.
Although, your reasoning does make much more sense than mine!!
It may be shite, but its the only system we have and the other options are much worse. Even if they are all crooks you still have to keep pace with it, politics is really interesting and vital. The more you know the better equiped you are.
Now all of you, go forth and listen to Radio Four, I comand you!
I must admit i do listen to some debates on Radio 5.. bit better than Kiss 100 at least im working my way up to Radio 4 slowly but surely!