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Not fair. There are some newspapers which have an entirely predictable stance on the US, the Inde and Guardian being two - just as the HateMail and Sun have a set stance on immigration.
Just because their views support you own doesn't make them right and it doesn't mean that they are unbiased.
Look at your view of FOX - and News Intl, in general
Or are you denying the existance of this as well?
You obviously haven’t spent as much time in mil.com as I had thought. That place is a prime example of the treatment anyone, be an individual, non-governmental group, charity, think tank, media publication or even a whole nation who dares to criticize the neo-con Republican government receives from the bushbots.
You know, right now you're setting the level of thsi discussion. Frankly, it's way below me, and don't feel like wasting my time reading your crap. Especially not when I know that you can manage holding a good level of debate, unlike certain others whom I've totally stopped responding to.
Who was the one asking others to ''grow up'' thus lowering the level of the debate?
I was raising what I believe is a very valid point: the perceived political leanings of newspapers especially when they are talking about certain issues, and the immediate branding they get of "being anti-this and anti-that" by some.
This is a very real issue, and my slightly humorous/sarcastic follow-up to piccolo's comments about your original post do still carry an awful lot of weigh and truth IMHO.
For your information the Independent isn't a left wing newspaper. If it happens to carry an article savaging Bush's record to date is because Bush's record is absolutely appalling to date. To say it any other way would be distorting the truth and being biased.
And to be frank, your original post about your teacher talking about the difficulty of not finding anti-American pieces in "left-wing" newspapers does nothing but to reinforce my comments about being impossible to utter a single word of disapproval against the mighty US government without being branded an American hater.
America will get it's just desserts sooner or later, all the bad vibes it's giving out now will come back on it. Problem is, they'll come back on us too
Juat like anyone who defends Bush and the US is automatically called a 'Bushbot' and ridiculed as an idiot without 2 brain cells to call his own.
Thats only happened in a number of extreme cases. Besides, look what would happen in an Arab nation, you would be tortured, then hung or decapitated or whatever. Israel is an ocean of freedom in a sea of tyranny.
What gave you that idea, its as bad as the Guardian.
Where do you think up this rubbish? And for the record, you ARE an American hater. From what ive read, you loathe everything America stands for.
Yeah, well, it became 'fixated' into their minds when some terrorists slammed 3 planes into the US, killing over 3000 people.
Yes.
Definately.
What do you mean by this?
Because the US cant solve the worlds problems. It barely has the resources to fight the threats to itself.
People realised the truth on September 11, 2001.
Whats wrong with saying that?
:rolleyes:
i think you deliberately said those things to start an argument, how come it didn't get fixated in their minds when 1 MILLION people were murdered in Rwanda 10years ago an don't ever say America is fighting against terrorism ever again after that second comment, what your basically saiyng is that america needs to take care of itself and it doesn't matter about the rest of us, more, true people would help anyone in a bad situation, just because you are going to a bed tonite doesn't mean you can't help others that aren't,( no wonder 2/3s of the worlds population despise America and their people). You say the truth was learned from 9/11, wat truth is this, the only truth learned tht day was the fact that america is not invincible. you asked what did i mean by saying "life long bttle against terrorism", in every speech george bush makes he says he will defeat terrorism, name ONE major thing george bush did pre-2001 that was designed to prevent terrorism, nothing, there are people all over the world who have lived their whole lives trying to stop terrorism and george bush comes up sayin he is the messiah that will save the world, no more bible belt jargon thank you,you've done nothin to stop terrorism,you've just made it more popular. whats wrong wit saying that you ask again, hmm, let me see, well he's basically saying there that he can do whatever he wants withot anyone's permission, that includes dropping a nuclear bomb, sure why would anyone want to fear george bush.:rolleyes:
Because they were not American citizens. You protect your own citizens first. Genocide in Africa, while terrible, was unstoppable.
Why dont you tell me what they are figghting then.
Yes , but all countries do that. Pull your head out of the goddamned clouds.
Like who. The French? Did they stop the Rwandan genocide. And i dont see them helping in Iraq. Again, calm down a bit and look at the facts.
Thats a terrible shame, but people have always hated the most powerful. What gets me is the European Lefts jealousy, it really is pathetic.
Yes, true , it proved that American security was lax. But it also proved to the American people that terrorism had to be annihilated.
Jesus , he was only elected in 2001 for fucks sake. What can the man do as Governor of Texas against Al-Quaeda terrotists?
Bible Belt jargon? Since when has he used that in his Presidential speeches? And he HAS taken out 2 terrorists safe havens - Iraq and Afghanistan. He has shown the world that American will not tolerate regimes that harbour terrorists.
He will do what it takes to defend the people he was elected to defend. And whos permission is he going to ask? Yours?
Finally, please use the ENTER button, as slogging through that block of text was hard work.
your going to tell us next that saddam was implicated in 9/11 somehow? like the libyans had the shit blown out of them for the oklahoma bombing ...
As someone who is familiar to these boards, may I mention MoK as one example of someone who might sometimes give credit to the US government without ever being branded a bushbot. And that's because he's happy to admit that the US is far from perfect in many other ways.
No, that happens on a bloody daily basis from the Torygraph HQ as well as most US broadcasters and every internet forum under the sun.
As for Israel, well I should not derail this thread too much with it. Suffice to say that far from the "vibrant democracy" some would like us believe the place is, Israel is a two-tier state where if you happen to be part of the lower tier (i.e. Arab) you live in an Apartheid-like hellhole. The freedom you refer to certainly doesn't extend to the Arabs. Or to the children shot to death for throwing stones at armoured vehicles. Or to the people made to queue for up to six hours every day in order to cross a checkpoint and go to work. Or to the countless people made homeless by Israeli bulldozers. Or to the farmers whose vines are uprooted for the sake of it by soldiers. Or to the whole villages that have water and electricity supplies cut off as a 'collective punishment' straight out of the Nazi book.
I have a friend who was given a good beating in the back of an Israeli army van because he was flying the Palestinian flag at a demo in Jerusalem. The blows only stopped when he managed to convince the soldiers he was a Greek national not a Palestinian. Incidents like this and many worse ones are as common as muck, and if you believe Israel is some sort of oasis of prosperity and 'democracy' in an ocean of Arab tyranny you are completely and utterly deluded. Lebanon and Jordan, to name but two of Israel's closest neighbours, are a beacon of human rights and tolerance compared with Sharon's playground.
And in any case, what kind of bullshit is this about "being tortured and hang or decapitated" in Arab countries? You're making Kilroy sound like an intelligent man for fuck's sake!
But I've already drifted for too long, so back to the topic...
What gives YOU that idea? Regardless of whether you consider the Guardian as bad (as far as I'm concerned is fairer and better than the Torygraph, Times and all the tabloids put together), the Independent is not more left-leaning than the average lamp post.
I'll tell you what: I'm willing to bet that I've been to the US more times than you have, that I can count more Americans as friends than you can, and that I know and appreciate more about American culture than you do. Prove me wrong.
It is THE US GOVERNMENT I profoundly despise. And not for the sake of it, but because of the cynical, hypocritical, lying, murdering bunch of c*nts they are. And I shall not allow anyone to tell me that my dislike of the current US government can translate into a dislike of America as a country. That's another right winger's little trick that is wearing extremely thin now.
and I don't like Bush, or much of what he stands for...
I may have supported the lastest war, but he's still an arse (IMHO)...
Don't like Tony Blair much either, still support his attempts to modernise the NHS - would never vote for the man though, nor have I ever.