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Turkey.... joining the EU??
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Turkey has applied for membership of the European Union. As long as it meets the economic and social quotas set by the EU then it is expected to join in either 2007 or 2008.
I personally feel that Turkey should not be allowed to become a member of the EU. Although western Turkish cities like Istanbul are considered to be in the European continent these days, 3/4 of Turkey (mainly Eastern Turkey) is not at all in Europe. Eastern Turkey is socially and economically more similar to the the Middle-Eastern Arabic countries than it is to the EU. Since it is pretty much the gateway for the Middle-East to Europe, I am concerned that should it become a member of the EU, it will bring alot of Islamic influence into Europe. This is presently not a good idea considering the western world's involvment in the Middle-East. Not only will this be a gateway for the Middle-East in general, but it will also be a gateway for terrorists keen to infiltrate and destroy the West.
I would like to know people's opinions on this matter.
I personally feel that Turkey should not be allowed to become a member of the EU. Although western Turkish cities like Istanbul are considered to be in the European continent these days, 3/4 of Turkey (mainly Eastern Turkey) is not at all in Europe. Eastern Turkey is socially and economically more similar to the the Middle-Eastern Arabic countries than it is to the EU. Since it is pretty much the gateway for the Middle-East to Europe, I am concerned that should it become a member of the EU, it will bring alot of Islamic influence into Europe. This is presently not a good idea considering the western world's involvment in the Middle-East. Not only will this be a gateway for the Middle-East in general, but it will also be a gateway for terrorists keen to infiltrate and destroy the West.
I would like to know people's opinions on this matter.
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You know, your fear doesn't surprise me. Why not see it as a chance to understand a different culture rather than as a threat to "ours". Or maybe you should be more interested in the economics aspects than be concerned that "They're not like us you know". And then you wonder why we think that you are a little racist...
BTW Watch out for the monsters in your cupboard tonight too. They're everywhere you know...
Personally I'm not sure its a great idea, mainly because of the geography of it, I mean how far do we want to push 'Europe'? But my main reservation is the motives governments have for letting them in. It seems to me to be purely based on the fact that there are quite a lot of Muslims in Turkey.
But on the other hand, if in exchange for letting them join the EU can get them to behave nicely to the Kurds I'm all for it.
And giantno1; as for it being a 'gateway' I fail to see what you mean by that, what would change? Just because they are a member we'd get more immigrants? That makes no sense. In fact we may well get less, after Portugal joined the EU there were significantly less people leaving there for elsewhere.
Also with moves within the EU to make people register for asylum in the first EU country they come to it would be one more country acting as a land barrier to the UK, France and Germany (the real power in the EU).
giant, I'm willing to start a fund to buy you a ticket to an Arab country (return date 12 months from now) to see if first-hand experience of the Arab world can shake off your breathtaking and utter ignorance, prejudice and plain old racism concerning Arabs and Muslims.
You would discover that they can teach the West many lessons regarding tolerance, decency and culture.
But perhaps that's not what you want to hear.
By your line of argument, Russia should never become an EU country, somethat that is looking increasingly likely, simply because it extends all the way to Asia.
Open your mind, giantno1, and you never know, the monsters in the wardrobe might disappear.
But I suppose if you want some peace of mind, go work out the chances of Turkey meeting the economic and social requirements in the short term. And if they do manage to overhaul their country so radically, I wouldn't've thought you'd have any qualms.
Can't wait, sounds great. I've always wanted to visit Yemen. Hope my plane doesn't get shot down before it lands.
Don't make me laugh, have you seen the asylum figures
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2852129.stm
"In 2002, there were more than 111,000 asylum applications to Britain - more than double the number in France. "
There is a chart on the bbc website as well which shows the UK
has received 1/4 of asylum applications in the EU.
Land barrier, yeah right, as if they don't let them through to the UK. We're supposed to be together in the EU, but pigs will fly the French do us any favours.
France and Germany couldn't give shit about any of that, they want to spread the EU as much as they can to gain as much influence as possible and create a new superpower to rival the USA. Here comes the new Superpower rivalries, coming soon in the 21st century.
:rolleyes:
How many flights per year. How many shot down?
Shit, you have more chance of being run over by a white christian...
That's assuming that you can walk which you can hardly do with no legs having had both of them blown off by terrorists.
It was being 'talked about' ages ago.
No I am not anti-immigration at all, God why do you think that someone who just doesn't want the piss taken out of UK is anti this, anti that.
Rubbish, I just think the rest of europe should share the burden.
I welcome genuine asylum seekers and immigrants.
I would aggree with you that the EU needs an over all and joined asylum method, but I'm still unconvinced that we are being over run with them.
Trust me I'm not part of the giantno1 fan club!
I think that the media go over the top about the issue, but when you look at a country the size of France compared to the UK and the statistics show they're taking a lot less asylum seekers that the UK (added to the fact that they would be a closer safe haven)
you begin to wonder. I think in this case, some general fair EU rules should be put in place for this issue.
I do see your point about asylum seekers being shared somewhat more equaly over the EU though. However we are best placed to economically support them at the moment.
Who's full of hatred now?
And of prejudice. And of breathtaking ignorance. And of racism.
You'd be better off in the BNP boards where you will find like-minded individuals.
The debate in Germany right now is about whether or not 'dual nationality' should be allowed. Turkish immigrants are currently unable to retain their Turkish nationality because they are required to apply for German nationality in order to be able to remain in Germany. Since only single nationality is permitted, they automatically lose their Turkish citizenship when they apply for their German one. The pathetic socialist 'green' party is aiming to change this and make dual nationality available.
Hold on to your hats, this tidbit tonight on BBC World should get some here riled.
Al, youll love this!
A tunnel is to be built between Spain and Morocco. Evidently it will take 3 years to complete.
Haven't seen anything in print on it yet, but ill be keeping an eye out.
Wooo look out Giant, its an invasion! lol.
And Labrat,
"Who do you think Labour and Tory are?"
Are you feeling alright? I said 'British Marxist Party' and you come out with Labour and the Conservatives as examples?
And American Democrats and Republicans are not Marxists either?
You maybe believe they are pro-capitalist parties fighting for private property, free trade and individual freedom?
Hah!
Turn off BBC and open your eyes.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=421698§ion=news
Hope you can sleep at night knowing this! lol.
Let me give you a definition of Marxism. "The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society." Do you think that this accurately reflects the views of the Conservative and Labour Parties? Are you saying that these political parties wish for Britain to progress into a society of pure Communism?
Turn off the cartoons and read some political history.