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Full ban on smoking?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    on medical grounds yes ban it. but being real means you hand yet another illegal drug to the list of big earners for the men in the shadows ...hard untaxed cash in the billions. the quality would become dodgy. illegal means having no control over the situation at all and at the same time handing over large sums of your countries currency ...in hard cold powerful cash ...to crime and terrorism.
    how would beckyboo feel suddenly becoming a criminal for having a smoke? pretty much how i feel having my smoke i would imagine.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by godscop
    If you don't like people smoking in pubs then don't go in, it really is that simple.

    Restraunts are different, although I think most people have enough respect not to smoke until everyone has finished eating.


    Thats a bit of a strange attitude to take, seeing as most of the population don't smoke anyway. Maybe it should be the other way round, if you really want to smoke then don't go in, that simple.

    Roughly half the people who smoke for most of their life, will die from it, they know it but they can't give it up. Many thousands of people who don't smoke will develope illnesess and/or die because of it.

    I personally think that if the government don't ban it, then all the people who have ever had to work or breathe in a smokey atmosphere should sue those who smoke and those who don't provide proper ventilation damages and get them charged with assault. I'm talking about the bastards who sit in the no smoking areas, the tossers who breathe out at you or over the bar.
    I think I stand to make a tidy profit from them as well.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sometimes personal freedom should override everything else, instead of banning smoking from pubs maybe the Government should be insisting on separet smoking areas that are entirely separated. It sued to be that smoking was allowed in the bar of a pub, but not the lounge, the problems have only started since the lounges and bars of pubs were combined.

    Smoking smells and tastes vile, but I remain skeptical of the dangers of "passive smoking".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As far as restaurants go I agree with having non smoking ones. I would not light up if I was in a non smoking restaurant and even if it was smoking I still tend to wait till everyone has finished eating. I think they should have smoking and non smoking areas that way everyone is happy.

    In a bar well thats different for me and I would think many smokers. When I socialise and have a few drinks then I smoke, if a bar was no smoking and it was fully enforced then i would not visit that pub. Now how many other smokers would follow suit ? If they cant smoke they wont drink there which in effect will lose them trade.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    If they cant smoke they wont drink there which in effect will lose them trade.

    As ive said previously, in new York since the smoking ban was introduced bars have reported takings down up to 50% during peak times, meaning that the bar staff no longer have jobs and that bars are closing.

    There arent that many non-smokers who refuse to set foot in bars because of the smoking issue. certainly not as many as there are smokers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yes, probably the case if one or two pubs banned smoking. My question is, where would you go if EVERY pub banned smoking.....?
    You couldn't take your buisness anywhere else but an off licence.

    And as for making smoking an illegal, underground activity, I disagree. Every smoker I have ever spoken to has said they would quit if they were able, why would they risk a fine or imprisonment, for something that they agree tastes disgusting, that they know they will probably die from if it is made illegal?

    I challenge anyone to find someone who loves smoking so much that they would goto such lengths to have a smoke.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    I challenge anyone to find someone who loves smoking so much that they would goto such lengths to have a smoke.

    But surely if smoking is as addictive as everyone claims, then people will HAVE to turn to the black market because they are addicted, and cannot do without the cigarattes?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Every smoker I have ever spoken to has said they would quit if they were able

    He he he he
    - Every smoker wants to quit, show me a smoker who deosn't want to stop. Show me a smoker who has never woken up and said 'jesus, my mouth tastes like shit...I really will give up' but in most cases they just don't. I couldn't...for years i thought I wanted to...but did I really want to? Perhaps I thought I would be losing out on something by not smoking. Somehow the clever trap got me. And every time I made an attampt some 'friend' of mine would say 'go on, have one...one won't hurt' as they waggled a fag in front of my face...and why...because they were scared, scared that I might be successful, they couldn't let me be successful because then they would look unsuccessful because deep down they reall wanted to give up too, except they would bang on about their freedom and choice and their right to make up their own mind to smoke, to be allowed to keep smoking, even though they knew it was killing them, even though they kept waking up and thinking 'jesus, my mouth tastes like shit...I really will give up this time' then they would say 'yeah, but I only smoke a few a day, and infact I only smoke when i'm out with my mates so i'm not really a smoker, I could give up if I wanted to but I like the taste, I'd miss the fag with my pint, I'm only harming myself, and anyway I smoke so little I'm not really even harming myself'....etc etc etc


    smoking is a trick...its piss easy to give up, it has nothing to do with willpower, or addiction....only fear stops people from giving up!!

    honestly - believe me - its true!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    .its piss easy to give up, it has nothing to do with willpower, or addiction....only fear stops people from giving up!!

    honestly - believe me - its true!!

    Byny that bullshit. If smoking was that easy to quit do you think i would sit here and waste my money ? Would I have candles burning in my house day and night to get rid of that stale smoke smell ?
    Smoking is not easy to stop and I applaud anyone who can, they deserve a pat on the back. But as I say just because you found it easy to stop dont try to make everyone think we will all find it that easy.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    instead of banning smoking from pubs maybe the Government should be insisting on separate smoking areas that are entirely separated.

    On that point I completely agree with you. Seperate, strongly enforced smoking and non-smoking areas are the answer. But I also think it important to ban people from smoking at a cafe, resteraunt or bar if they are sitting at an outside table at certain times. Between 7am and 7pm smoking should be banned in this respect to protect young children from passive smoking.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo

    I would think many smokers. When I socialise and have a few drinks then I smoke, if a bar was no smoking and it was fully enforced then i would not visit that pub. Now how many other smokers would follow suit ? If they cant smoke they wont drink there which in effect will lose them trade.
    the pubs that managed to turn a blind eye to smoking ...shhhh ....pot in the seventies all went on to become some of the most sucsessfl pubs in town.
    sorry but i'm back in the seventies ...complaigning and campaigningg against the powers that be havin g made cannabis illegal! how much control are we going to have to have over each other in our ever more fearful society.
    maybe we can be allowed to smoke anything we like in our own homes ...and that way we might slowly fade from society with our beards and hopelesness s. discarded to a bygone age ...but no ...make us all into scriminalsd.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    how would beckyboo feel suddenly becoming a criminal for having a smoke? pretty much how i feel having my smoke i would imagine.
    Ive never been a criminal in all my life, id be very scared :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Ive never been a criminal in all my life, id be very scared :nervous:
    thankyou for your donation to the fund for letting us smoke even more things ...or other things instead of!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Becky, my point was a ban on smoking would mean you would have to stop. Smoking isn't that addictive that you'd go searching for your next "fix".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Becky, my point was a ban on smoking would mean you would have to stop. Smoking isn't that addictive that you'd go searching for your next "fix".

    How do you know how id react ?

    Ive tried to stop smoking and couldn't. Ive tried patches and they irritated me and I was riving at the spot where the patch was, my arm bright red and went all spotty.

    If smoking was that easy then I would stop now, but smoking is not that easy to stop when you have smoked as long as i have.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Smoking isn't that addictive that you'd go searching for your next "fix".
    NO? the last time i tried i cleared my house of everything related to fags. then when i was coming to pieces i remembered the caravan ...sure enough a couple of old dog ends to make one rough roll up. the next day i found some in an ashtray in the shed ...then i went through the bin bags that i had originaly tipped the baccy contents into ...loads of soggy dogs, covered in beans and stuff ...but they dried out ok.
    the next step was looking in the local phone box AND finding two fag ends to re rtoll ....that is nicotine addiction.
    how come i beat heroin addiction but cannot for the life of me beat nicotine?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Likely because of all those wonderful additives they pack into our chosen poison, MR. ;)

    Good stuff like Arsenic, Formaldehyde, etc...

    Got a light? ;)

    Ahhhhhh so much better, thanks!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Byny that bullshit.

    Its good to see that someone has listened to Allen Carr's advice.

    His book isnt bullshit Becky, you really ought to read it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Becky, my point was a ban on smoking would mean you would have to stop.

    You mean like the ban on brown stops people shooting up?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    in the paper today; put fags up to 25p each to price it out of the market ...this from the lancet!
    do these people know anything about the real world? there is already a thriving black market in tobacco cos of our overpriced poison. every villain and smuggler in the land must be rubbing their hands with glee! the government isn't there to protect us from every risk in life. it would seem the government are often there to make sure organised crime and a few plucky individuals always have the most lucrative earners going well sown up!
    agree with this control over smokers and you are supporting crime and terrorism ...simple as that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just wondering if anyone had considered my question as to whther they would stop the guy running into the road/jumping off a cliff?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If he actualy wants to get hit by the truck, then I'd stop him and he could commit suicide in another way if he chose too. Because if he was hit by the truck the the driver would be distressed by the event.

    Same goes for the cliff. Although obviously I would make some effort to try and talk he/she out of it.

    But if they were just doing it because they werent looking where they were going then I'd stop them and slap them about the face a bit for good measure.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
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    Same goes for the cliff. Although obviously I would make some effort to try and talk he/she out of it.

    So then would you try to stop a smoker from smoking. They are exercising their right to choice, similar to the man that wants to jump off the cliff, to do something that will harm them, surely we should help these people, try and stop them..........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I wasnt saying we shouldnt, but I think that an all out ban isnt really the way forward.

    I do think making more places non-smoking would help and more effort put into helping people come off.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah I probably agree, wondering more at the people claiming that the right to choice is utterly paramount...........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Its good to see that someone has listened to Allen Carr's advice.

    His book isnt bullshit Becky, you really ought to read it.

    Never heard of him :confused:

    Whowhere if they were banned then I would get them from somewhere. If I got caught Id have to face the consequnses just like millions of other people.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo

    Whowhere if they were banned then I would get them from somewhere. If I got caught Id have to face the consequnses just like millions of other people.
    and the villains would get richer. the quality would become more dangerous. you would be a criminal.
    surely addiction is a medical problem and not a criminal one?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    surely addiction is a medical problem and not a criminal one?

    Ah I know what we are getting at here ;)

    Yes, its a medical problem not criminal. However if I do something illegal then I have to face the consequenses if im caught.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Ah I know what we are getting at here ;)

    Yes, its a medical problem not criminal. However if I do something illegal then I have to face the consequenses if im caught.
    and the trouble with an addict thinking like your thinking now is ...we all have boudaries that we refuse, or rarely cross in our lives. you have admitted you are willing to break the law for your addiction ...how many laws before you realise your addiction is in control?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    how many laws before you realise your addiction is in control? [/B]
    The addiction already has control, it tells me when to light up basically, when I get stressed out I need more, when im busy doing something its not as bad.
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